Moran

Peter:

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Check out the 1878 civil birth record below. You have to sign-in to see the record. Duncannon is in the New Ross area.

Roger McDonnell

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

I also had a look into this and as far I can see any Duncannon registrations should be in one of the Fethard Sub-districts of New Ross - the location of that 1878 appears to be Mc Murrough or Macmurroughs which is a townland located just east of the town of New Ross - see OSI Map

The only other promising birth that came up in the search is a Catherine Moran born 1891, in Slade which is located not far from Hook Head, and a bit closer to Duncannon (14km vs 30km) , but might be too late for your Catherine ?

Hi Shane!

Roger

I located some Morans at Mcmurrough/ Macmurroughs Island, New Ross on the 1901 census but no sign of Peter,  and also a Michael Moran postman, living in Duncannon.  In 1901 the Moran family I mentioned are still at Slade, with parents Peter & Johanna and the daugther named Catherine age 10. At the time of the 1911 census, Peter and Johanna along with several of their children are still in Slade - but no sign of Catherine....

Have you found your Catherine on the English 1901 and 1911 census returns - did any of her family move to London with her ?

Thank you for replying.I have the marriage certificate of Catherine Moran and John O'Brien.They married in London in 1910.Her age is shown as 27 and her father is Peter Moran, Farmer.

I have found them on the 1911 census but I have not found Catherine Moran on the 1901 censuses yet.

I think she had a brother Thomas Peter Moran who came to England too and was a Police officer.

thanks for the additional details - I've just found that 1911 census which mentions Duncannon - very specific location. l'll have another look for possible births - plenty of Morans in Co. Wexford but the only two Catherines that showed up in the New Ross district initially were the ones in New Ross and Slade, both a little far for my liking from Duncannon. 

I think it's worth trying to see if we can locate Catherine in 1901 census either in England or Ireland as this might help narrow down the options. The father of that Catherine Moran in Slade is a farmer, but that's quite a common occupation, and Catherine is still at home in 1901.

Ages are commonly under estimated - so an 1878 birth is possible even though her age on the census and marriage would suggest c1884. Less common for ages to be over reported, but the 1891 birth could still fit if she added a few years to match more closely with her husband for their marriage.

Can you post the additional details from the marriage ?

these might provide clues, e.g. residences for Catherine and John, and the names of the two witnesses.. (these could be relations)

I found another Catherine born 12th April 1878, in Ramsgrange - much closer to Duncannon (abt 4 km), father is Peter a farmer, mother is  Anastasia Clegg. Surname has been indexed as 'Morran', but looks like like Moran on the register to me.. 

I'm certain I've looked into this family before but cant remember when or where...

Hello and thank you.I think Catherine was working over here in London in 1901 but I cant find her yet.Possibly in the Westminster area.

John (Jack) O'Brien married Catherine (Katie) Moran in september 1910 in Fulham,London. She was living at Vera road, Fulham and he was in Camden Town,London. Witnesses were Kathleen Grace and Patrick Walsh.

Hallo, this is very strange but I have just returned from a trip to Duncannon researching my family 'the morans'. I am not sure that we are connected but some of the names you mention tie in with information that I have, so I will give you all that I know.

A Peter Moran was born on 29th October in 1857 to Michael Moran and Joanna Moran (nee Murphy). Peter Moran was baptised at St James and Templetown Church, very near Duncannon. 

Peter Moran married an Anastasia Clegg (these people were my Great, Great Grandparents). They had a farm just outside Duncannon. The building is in ruins but is still standing - I have photos which I will post as soon as I can.

According to the 1901 Irish census Peter (farmer) and Anastasia (farmer's wife) were living on this farm with their son's Martin, Irvin (who died young) Peter, Patrick, Samuel and their daughter Maggie (who died young). There were definitely two other children who may not have been living at home or maybe were just not there at the time, maybe this holds true for the Catherine that you are looking for? The two that I know of were James and Michael (Michael was the postman in Waterford). He was registered as living at 49 Parnell Street. The street still exists but the house has been knocked down. Michael married a Catherine Aylward at the Chapel of Trinity Without, Waterford in 1906. The pair and James then went to live in Merthyr Tydfil in Wales (this is my branch of the family).

The only other information that I have is that Moran is not really a Wexford name - apparently is hails from the Connaught area, so the Moran's in Wexford are likely in some way to be connected.

Maybe the Catherine that you seek was another child of Peter's and Anastasia's? Possibly you are a relative?

If there is anything else I can think of I will let you know​ - good luck with it

hi Peter, and Gabbi!

just to add a few more finds on the Ramsgrange Moran family for Peter :

Death of Anastasia Moran age 89 - 1937, Ramsgrange, informant Peter Moran son  (last record on the page)
Death of Martin Moran age 43, 3rd April 1920, Ramsgrange, informant his father Peter (2nd entry)

Birth of Peter jnr. 7th June 1883, Ramsgrange - parents Peter Moran & Anastasial Clegg (5th entry on the page)
Birth of Samuel 12th May 1890, Ramsgrange - parents Peter Moran & Anastasia Clegg  (2nd last entry on page)

and for reference the birth of Catherine - 12th April 1878 Ramsgrange, parents Peter Moran & Anastasia Clegg
1901 Census - 'Morran' household, Ramsgrange
1911 Census - Moran household, Ramsgrange

no sign of the Catherine born 1878 on either the 1901 of 1911 census at home or nearby, so seems like a very good possible match.

Here's a link to Gabbi's original thread on this family..

p.s. what were the names of John and Catherine's children ? They may have used family names which might provide clues

Thank you very much for replying.We have had no contact with any of my grandparents' siblings and so havent been able to find the Moran family on any records.We assume that they met in London when they both moved here for work early 1900s.

John and Catherine had two children: Patrick Michael O'Brien and Margaret Mary O'Brien.

Can you please have a look at this record for the birth of a Catherine Moran in Wexford Jan-Mar 1886 on the Ireland Civil Registration Indexes .Film 101061,vol 4.page 823? Its the nearest one I found.Thanks very much.Its good to hear from someone who knows where these places are too.

Hi Peter,

I have had a look at your link, and this Catherine appears born later than Peter Moran's Catherine

Try this link

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02962/2085111.pdf

This is the Catherine that was born to Peter and Anastasia Clegg - I think the Catherine you have might be different as she appears born later (1886) - the Catherine born to Peter Moran was born in 1878. See what you think. If this link is the Catherine you seek then we share great, great or great grandparents. Do you know Catherine's mother's name? I will have a closer look at the weekend when I have more time. Meanwhile, keep searching - how exciting if we are related! Regards, Gabbi

No I dont think we have the same Catherine Moran.Mine was born about 1885.Her father was also called Peter Moran but I do not know the mother's name.Sorry

I wouldn't rule out this Catherine - reported ages are often inaccurate, so I believe 1878 is certainly possible - only abt 6 years in the difference, I've seen much greater discrepancies. Most people did not know their accurate date of birth, and people sometimes deliberately under-reported their ages on marriage to match their partner.  This Catherine was born by far the closest to Duncannon of the possible matches we've looked at -  the other two being at New Ross and Slade, both some distance from Duncannon..