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I am looking for help in finding if my McCormacks came from County Kilkenny. My great grandfather, William E. McCormack, was born in Kilkenny City on 9 Sep 1853. His parents, Michael McCormack and Catherine (Paine/Payne) were married on 26 Sep 1853 in St. Mary's Church. It is believed that Catherine was from around Kilkenny (City). It is known that she was married before to a man named Robert Steele around 1848/9. We don't know where Michael was born. According to his death certificate (from Michigan) with information supplied by his son, William, Michael was born in Ireland. The names of Michael's parents were not supplied either. But according to a marriage "certificate" Michael's father name was Patrick and he was a farmer. Catherine's father name wass Robert Paine and was also a farmer. There is a family story that Michael was either a priest or studying to be one when he married Catherine. At the time of the marriage, Michael and Catherine were living on Patrick Street in Kilkenny. Also according to the marriage "certificate" mentioned earlier, his profession was listed as none. The marriage was witnessed by Margaret Payne (a relative?) and Michael Doyle. We are hoping to find out if Michael came from County Kilkenny or somehow met Catherine as he was passing through Kilkenny.

 

Thank you,

 

 

Cormac

Wednesday 5th Sep 2012, 08:41AM

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  • This didn't get attached when I posted the original message.

    Cormac

    Wednesday 5th Sep 2012, 08:50AM
  • Hi Jeff,

    Church records may be of some assistance to you. Church of Ireland parish registers for the period up to 1870 are public records. Registers are available for about one third of the parishes, however many were destroyed in the Public Records Office in Dublin in 1922. Most are still held by the local clergy, although some are in the National Archives of Ireland and others are in the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. A list of all surviving registers is available in the National Archives. http://ireland.anglican.org/about/42 and http://www.nationalarchives.ie/. A resource for which Catholic records exist and where they might be found is: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showlikerecords&CityCounty=Kilkenny&CityCounty=Kilkenny&parish=Kilkenny

    You may also try You could try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64). The Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38): Microfilm copies of the books for all of Ireland are available at the National Archives of Ireland (NAI) http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/tithe-applotment-books-and-the-primary-griffith-valuation/ or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS). Griffith's is freely available here: www.askaboutireland.com or here: www.failteromhat.com Failte Romhat has lots of other useful links you could try looking at.

    I wish you the best of luck with your research.

     

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    cynoconnor

    Wednesday 5th Sep 2012, 11:04AM
  • Ms. O'Connor,

     

    I have tried G.V. and have found the McCormack/McCormick name. The problem is that I can't link Michael to any of the names that I and others have found in any of the G.V's. Other than the brief time that we know that he spent in Kilkenny, we have absolutely NO idea on where in Ireland or any other place that Michael may have been. I think that I could link names to my Michael to the day after the Second Coming and I wouldn't be any closer to finding out where he came from or live. I still have “some” hope that the religious angle might play out. Otherwise it will a LOT more money to find out where he came from. That is why I am hoping that I can find a relative of his that stayed in Kilkenny.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Jeff

    Cormac

    Thursday 6th Sep 2012, 07:36AM
  • Hi Cormac,

    My great-great-grandfather Timothy McCormick was born in Kilkenny City around 1831/1832. He had a brother Patrick McCormick/McCormack (It was spelt both ways at the time).

    There father was Timothy McCormick. I believe he had a brother Michael (thats my great-great-greatgrandafther), and another brother William. It's possible that there were further brothers James, Michael and Thomas, as all those names run in our family. Timothy's father was James Mccormick as far as I have found out so far. 

    They were linked to St. Canices in Kilkenny City. Sometime around 1841 - 1848 in Griffiths Valuation of Ireland there is a mention of several McCormicks families linked together around Kilkenny City. The heads of the families were Thomas McCormick (Green Hill, St. Canices), James Cormack (Archerstreet lot, St. Canices), Michael McCormack (Ayresfield, Geese Hill, St. Canices) and Patrick Cormack (Gardens/Geese Hill, St. Canices). It's possible that they were all brothers (or uncles and brothers). My great-great-great-grandfather Timothy McCormick was mentioned as the head of the household in St. Canices in 1828, so I am assuming he must have died bofore Griffiths Valuation. It's likely that Thomas and Patrick were brothers (as my own great-great-grandfather Timothy and his brother James went to live in Milford, Worcester, Massachusetts sometime around the Irish famine). I know my great-great-grandfather Thomas McCormicks second name was also either Michael or Martin.

    It's possible that Michael was their cousin or their uncle. With regards people called Michael McCormack being born in Kilkenny, here is a list of the them. There was a Michael McCormack born in 1804, 1806, 1816, 1820, 1823, 1824 and 1826 and 1831. The two Michaels born in 1816 and 1831 both had fathers called Patrick. The next time I am in Kilkenny (I plan to search my own ancestors too) I will check to see were either of them born in Kilkenny town around St. Canices. 

    You can contact me on tomasmaccormaic@yahoo.ie 

    Tomas

    MacCormaic

    Friday 26th Jul 2013, 11:57PM

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