could you inform me if i am in the right parish for the following enquiry below and the following addresses rutland street limerick plus belleview castleconnell and saint marys diocese plus catherine street--i am making this enquiry on behalf of a third party
1315 this family have been traced to a philip meagh approx birth 1315
???? marriage thomas meade wedding to eleanor rochfort or rochefort
thomas meade timber & linen merchant
1760 february 8th baptism mary roche daughter of john roche son of stephen roche son of john roche (b1688) and miss harold cousin of general harold of the saxon service at the parish of saint marys roman catholic church county of limerick father john roche mother catherine harold (sometimes harold) no sponsors or notes on record -----to become wife of john meade thomas
1765/6 approximate birth thomas meade (approximate d1830) eldest son of thomas meade and eleanor rochfort meade
1768 birth john meade thomas son of thomas meade and eleanor rochfort meade
???? birth eleanor ( d t ) meade sister married 1790
???? birth joanna sister (d1824 august) married peter cleary of roscrea see 1788 november 11th son of denis cleary of roscrea a revenue officer at kinsale cork
???? birth mary sister married john henry roan of roscrea county tipperary
1785 september 9th marraige john meade fitzthomas merchant rutland street limerick meade john thomas last saturday mr john meade thomas linen draper to miss roche niece to philip roche john esq a very amiable and accomplished young lady with a large fortune
1785 september 10th marraige john meade wedding mary roche church of saint marys limerick witness frances arthur johanna connell frances arthur john meade thomas son of thomas meade wedding mary ann roche witness is philip roche and frances arthur
1785 september 18th wedding john meade thomas , john thomas meade esq of limerick and belleview castleconnell married mary ann roche nee harold daughter of john roche son of stephen roche son of john roche (b1688) saint mary diocese of limerick church of saint mary limerick catholic church by dean john creagh pp witness philip roche frances arthur
1786 july 22nd baptism of thomas meade first born of john meade thomas and mary anne roche meade parish of saint marys roman catholic church county limerick father john meade mother mary roche sponsor thomas meade and widow casey first born of mary anne roche meade and father john mead thomas
1788 october 28th catherein meade parish of saint marys county limerick roman catholic father john meade mother mary roche sponsor stephen roche and ellen roche ----later died
1788 richard lucas limerick directory meade thomas & john linen drapers mary street )
1790 marraige eleanor meade wedding to john fennell they had three children ---edmond who became a firm friend and business partner with john meade thomas --eleanor---and helen married john magrath of nenagh 1809
1790 january 6th or 8th birth helen meade church of saint marys limerick to father john meade and mother mary roche sponsors frances arthur and johanna connell
1790 july 24th birth county cork charleville birth thomas roche meade captain roche meade of the 21st regiment 1830 deputy adjutant general major roche meade later becomes deputy assistant adjutant general of horseguards in london handwritten note along with death certificate 1849 born charleville county cork july 24th 1790 kate and mary anne sisters stephen meade half brother
1790 death thomas meade died 15th generation number 68
1791 august 23rd baptism richard meade in church of saint marys limerick parish of saint marys parents john meade and mary roche sponsor ??? fennell and widow meade died in jamicia 1819 son of mary ann roche and john meade thomas he was known as richard harold meade not richard roche meade
1792 june 14th marraige thomas harold meade wedding to helena maria roche otherwise helen maria roche at united church of saint marys saint thomas saint george dublin
1794 may 26th limerick baptism catherine meade baptized parish of saint marys saint marys roman catholic church athlunkard street county limerick father john meade mother mary roche meade no sponsors
1794 september 27th meade thomas john linnen draper freeman of limerick
???? birth mary anne meade sister of major roche meade born in charleville next of kin mrs katherine fitzmaurice and stephen meade
1795 july 8th mary anne roche meade died wife of john meade thomas left her husband with five young children thomas richard major roche meade catherine meade and mary anne church burial record parish of saint marys county limerick church of ireland and the word mrs in notes no informants
1797 december 2nd abstract is as follows meade thomas to ankettle 501 498 332 813 memorial of indented deed of settlement dated 2 december 1797 between john meade thomas of the city of limerick esq of the one part mary ankettle of the city of dublin spinster of the 2nd part john roche of william street in the city of dublin esq of the 3rd part reciting that a marraige is intended shortly to be had been john meade thomas (his second marraige as his first wife was mary anne roche) and mary ankettle and that in consideration of the said marraige and of one thousand pounds being the fortune of said mary ankettle to said john meade thomas paid by said john roche he the said john meade thomas did.....agree..... that if mary ankettle should survive him the said john meade thomas the exors of the said john meade thomas shall pay to mary ankettle or her assigns the principle sum of two thousand pounds further reciting that said john meade thomas as a member of a certain society called the friendly annuity society in the county of the city of limerick is entitled to dispose of the yearly sum of forty pounds payable by half yearly instalments by said company during the life of his wife in case she shall survive him and said john meade thomas as member of another society called the universal annuity society can dispose of ....in like manner.... witnesses philip long of the city of dublin esq and walter prendergast of the said city attorney
1797 december 9th 2nd marriage john meade thomas wedding to mary ankettle
1799 birth stephen meade son of mary ankettle meade and john meade thomas half brother of thomas- richard- major roche meade and catherine meade plus mary anne becomes a solicitor of dublin
1800 december 10th registry of deeds office dublin (1800-1809) meade john and wife to roche 527 401 352466 memorial of an indenture deed of three parts bearing date 10 december 1800 and made between john meade of the city of limerick .....of the 1st part mary meade formerly mary ankettle spinster wife of said john meade of the 2nd part john roche of the city of dublin of the 3rd part reciting certain articles executed previous to and in consideration of a marraige which afterwards took place between john meade and mary his wife in these marraige articles no provision was made for the issue of the said john meade and the said mary john meade therefore in order to remedy this omission and for five shillings to him paid by the said john roche did covenant with said john roche that if john meade shall be leaving any child or children by said mary his present wife the executors of said john meade shall within six months after his death pay to john roche his executors or assigns the clear sum of four thousands with interest from the time of his death of the said john meade upon trust that the said four thousand pounds be used as follows if there should be one child by the said mary the said john meades present wife such child to ha the whole sum in whatever way said john meade should by deed or will direct and appoint if there should be two or more children sons or daughters then the four thousand pounds should be dispensed among them as said john meade should directo if no such direction by made the four thousand pounds to be equally divided among the children the portion of a son or sons to be paid at the age of 21 year.... the portion of a daughter or daughters at the age of 21 years or date of marraige
1801 birth george meade to mary ankettle meade and john meade thomas esq
1801 death to be confirmed mary ankettle meade died see 1806 tontine
1803 october 17th edmond lord viscount perry lease to john meade thomas 4,5,6,7 catherine place
1806 february 2nd death notice george meade rutland street aged 5 son of john meade thomas esq
1806 tontine schedule thomas meade eldest son aged 19 stephem meade eldest son aged 7 records mary ankettle alive see 1801
1816 october 4th certified by richard meade stamp distributor all of the names and residences of the persons who have taken out license for killing game
1816 december thomas harold meade visits john meade thomas his brother in limerick failure of bond
1817 john meade thomas bankrupt along with fennel
1819 october 20th death richard meade (b1791) died in jamacia aged 28
1820 january saturday richard meades death recorded in ennis chronicle on saturday january 1820 died on the 20th october last of jamacia of fever richard meade esq formerly distributor of stamps in limerick and son of john meade thomas esq
1821 death john meade thomas (b1768)
???? marraige catherine meade daughter of john thomas meade esq of limerick and belleview castleconnell catherine sister of major roche meade rh ar go and horseguard and sister of richard harold meade esq belleview castleconnell ireland wedding henry james fitzmaurice family of county clare------captain of hm 3rd buffs son of james fitzmaurice of ballybunion house kerry ireland brother of lord henry petty fitmaurice marquise of lansdowne and earl of kerry
1849 november 16th death middlesex of major roche meade deputy assistant adjutant general of horse guards in london r h a r g o and horseguard major roche meade left a third of his estate to his next of kin one of who is described as catherine fitzmaurice widow catherine street limerick plus a mary anne meade widow of booterstown and stephen meade sol dublin estate adminstered by john chalmers of london and stephen meade solicitor of dublin estate amount £3,000;00;00 kate fitmaurice appears to be handling her brothers late estate as an amount sent to stephen meade for his expenses in london of five pounds possibly kathryn fitmaurice
any additional information on the above family or events would be greatfully received
see also meade parish of saint audeons dublin leinster
see also thomas roche meade parish of rathgoggan county cork munster
liam hua duinn
Friday 19th Oct 2012, 06:56PMMessage Board Replies
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Hi William,
I've forwarded this request for assistance to a volunteer in the area who may be able to assist or advise you.
regards,
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William--I am a decendant of Philip also, although our Meade's are a different branch than yours, I would be interested in seeing just where our family trees intersect. Here is what I have for my direct decendants father to son for 19 generations.
Anyone else with information-I would greatly appreciate any information or help in either confirming or denying this line of decendants.
Philip Meagh b. 1310 Buttevant, Ireland d.1364 Buttevant, Ireland
David Meagh b. 1339 Buttevant, Ireland (No death information)
John Meagh I b. 1392 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland (No death information)
John Meagh II b. 1423 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland (No death information)
William Meagh I b. 1445 d. 1488 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland
John Meagh III b. 1467 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland d 1514 (Location unknown)
William Meagh II b. 1489 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland (No death information)
John Meagh IV b. 1520 d. 1589 (Locations unknown)
John Meade I b. 1544 Ballintubber, County Mayo, Ireland (No death information)
Sir John Meade II b. 1562 d. 1629 Ballintubber, County Mayo, Ireland
John Meade III b. 1614 Ballintubber, County Mayo, Ireland (No death information)
Col. Andrew Meade b. 1655 Ballintubber, Ireland d. 1744 Nanesemond County, Virginia
David Meade b. 1710 d. 1757 (Locations unknown)
Thomas Meade b. 1737 Louisa, Virginia d. 16 Nov 1770 Spotsylvania, Virginia
William Meade b. 31 Oct 1757 Hanover, Virginia d. 25 Jan 1831 Rhone County, Tennessee
John Mead b. 22 Jul 1790 Hanover, Virginia d. 1867 Missouri
William Overton Mead b. 1812 d. 1845 Rhone County, Tennessee
John Luttrell Mead b. 11 Sep 1834 Kingston, Tennessee d. 03 Jul 1884 Fairplay, Missouri
John Wiley Mead b. 19 Jul 1866 Fairplay, Missouri d. 17 Jul 1916 Little (River) Souix, Iowa
Lennie Agnus Mead (Eaton) b. 15 Sep 1891 Fairplay, Missouri d. 08 Jul 1973 Union, Nebraska
Janet Marie Eation (Beccard) b. 18 Feb 1937 Union, Nebraska
Kenneth Dean/David Allen/Roger Wayne/Michael Lynn Beccard (Sons of Donald & Janet)
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William--I am a decendant of Philip also, although our Meade's are a different branch than yours, I would be interested in seeing just where our family trees intersect. Here is what I have for my direct decendants father to son for 19 generations.
Anyone else with information-I would greatly appreciate any information or help in either confirming or denying this line of decendants.
Philip Meagh b. 1310 Buttevant, Ireland d.1364 Buttevant, Ireland
David Meagh b. 1339 Buttevant, Ireland (No death information)
John Meagh I b. 1392 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland (No death information)
John Meagh II b. 1423 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland (No death information)
William Meagh I b. 1445 d. 1488 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland
John Meagh III b. 1467 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland d 1514 (Location unknown)
William Meagh II b. 1489 Meaghstown Castle, Cork, Ireland (No death information)
John Meagh IV b. 1520 d. 1589 (Locations unknown)
John Meade I b. 1544 Ballintubber, County Mayo, Ireland (No death information)
Sir John Meade II b. 1562 d. 1629 Ballintubber, County Mayo, Ireland
John Meade III b. 1614 Ballintubber, County Mayo, Ireland (No death information)
Col. Andrew Meade b. 1655 Ballintubber, Ireland d. 1744 Nanesemond County, Virginia
David Meade b. 1710 d. 1757 (Locations unknown)
Thomas Meade b. 1737 Louisa, Virginia d. 16 Nov 1770 Spotsylvania, Virginia
William Meade b. 31 Oct 1757 Hanover, Virginia d. 25 Jan 1831 Rhone County, Tennessee
John Mead b. 22 Jul 1790 Hanover, Virginia d. 1867 Missouri
William Overton Mead b. 1812 d. 1845 Rhone County, Tennessee
John Luttrell Mead b. 11 Sep 1834 Kingston, Tennessee d. 03 Jul 1884 Fairplay, Missouri
John Wiley Mead b. 19 Jul 1866 Fairplay, Missouri d. 17 Jul 1916 Little (River) Souix, Iowa
Lennie Agnus Mead (Eaton) b. 15 Sep 1891 Fairplay, Missouri d. 08 Jul 1973 Union, Nebraska
Janet Marie Eation (Beccard) b. 18 Feb 1937 Union, Nebraska
Kenneth Dean/David Allen/Roger Wayne/Michael Lynn Beccard (Sons of Donald & Janet)
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michael
i would like to confirm before we go any further that i was making this enquiry on behalf of a third party and this party is trying to connect with the meade family tree not myself and to date there is no connection proven having got that out of the way i discover the following
your information is different from the record given by the bols-berney-meade genealogy site which i assume you have looked up
whilst your information is different it seems to be very similar to defy the odds for a probable connection rather than a possible connection
so your family is probably connected with the meades but with the following warning
i have requested information from this bols-berney-meade site to confirm or deny certain details they have stated and i have received no reply to ascertain the documenatary evidence they used
so with all those factors in the mix i take it that you are using different documentary evidence records for your families genealogy records than bols berney meade
you stated
philip meagh b1310 buttevant ireland d 1364 buttevant ireland --what is your documentary record evidence
as against bols berney meade who state
philip meagh b1315 buttevant ireland d 1361 buttevant ireland 1st generation
michael it then seems that both of you concur for the next 5 generations david through john i john ii william i and john iii and it is here that your family line spilts with my third party line the seventh generation
here john iii has two sons james and william ii your line is with william ii the third party line is with james which sorts out the two meade family lineages concerned
then there is the matter of your lineage which is correctly recorded until the 14th generation ie william ii john iv john meade i sir john meade ii john meade iii col andrew meade
bols berney meade state there are two recorded histories written about this col andrew meade which i have not seen but presume that you are aware of them
col andrew meade is followed by david meade the 14th generation
and this is where it gets tricky
bols berney meade do not record your thomas meade born 1737 in their record so i have to ask the question what is your documentary evidence record for this birth and if it stands up then present it to andrew bols and see if you get a reply from him
looking at the record of bols berney which i must reiterate is only one of many on record and is not the gospel on this matter there is no birth for 1737 but there are births before and after this date and some of them take place in nanesedmond county virginia so that is why i would say that your lineage is more of a probable than a possible
but again i must state your documentary evidence starting now from your own birth and working backwards how many documents do you have in your possession to affirm all the facts you have stated in your response to my original enquiry and as long back as you have the documents you can definitely confirm your lineage
so i take it you can have the documentary evidence of your lineage back to david b1710 or col andrew meade b1655 and if you have then inform bols berney meade site and any other sites you know
if you dont have the documents then i would try and find out from bols berney meade is there a possibility that there could be other children that they have not recorded belonging to david meade and if so what is the required proof to enable your family to be placed on the tree
and they may confirm for you that they have provisional evidence to confirm your lineage but not proven evidence which may assist you in your research- there is a huge meade family tree to help you
in the meantime i await my third parties proven link to this family line and if you happen to discover the proof of the link let me know by return
liam hua duinn
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Thank you William--My documentation is a bit scattered as this is my first attempt at geneoloy and I am learning as I go along. I understand your message and I will begin to retrace my steps to find the documentation that led me to the conclusions I have reached.
I, like the 3rd party you spoke of--am not saying my tree is the absolute correct one. I have seen many family trees on the Meade's that differ in many ways, and I continue to update my tree when I find something new that tells me my conclusions were in error.
The main area which differs--Some trees I have seen have Thomas as Col Andrew Meades son--some say he didn't have a son named Thomas.... It gets really confusing at that point in time, and I think I may have just weighed the evidence that Andrew had a son named David who in turn had a son named Thomas and went with that because 2-3 other lines came to the same conclusion. My documentation on that is weak, but I will seek to rememdy that in the near future.
I do remember a mention from one site that the information came from Source: "Abridged Compendium of American Genealogy Vo. 1" See the following website. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/i/l/Regenia-D-Willmann-campbell/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-1263.html
This site shows Andrew having a son named Thomas--as well as a son named David who had a son Thomas.
I have recently found some papers "The Chaumiere Papers" at a site that is very interesting reading about Andrew Meade and his son and grandson--both David's... http://kdl.kyvl.org/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=kyetexts;cc=kyetexts;view=toc;idno=B92-95-28578217 At the very least it is really interesting reading about the Meade family around the time of the Revolutionary War.
Those papers are notes and papers from the Meade family--some from David Sr, some from David Jr. Although they do not prove or dis-prove my family tree as far as I can tell--they make some great reading. I have yet to break down these papers as they mainly concern David Meade Jr--who if I am correct would be the brother of Thomas Meade. In any case the papers do not go into any of David Meade Sr's other children, so they have not helped as far as proof.
Anyway!! I don't want to bore you with this too much. I am just really looking for answers and proof around the time of Andrew--David--Thomas to tell me exactly how the puzzle fits together, OR if I need to completely break off that branch from my family tree. THAT would stink! haha