Looking for info - Marriage 1861

Alison,

James Elliott?s marriage to Emily Fleeson was registered in Mullingar 1862 Volume 8, page 302. If you order that certificate you should get both fathers names, their occupations, townlands and other information which may help you trace back.

You can order a photocopy from GRO Roscommon for ?4 per certificate. Put the place, year, volume & page number on the application form (anywhere). Don?t worry about leaving some boxes blank. You don?t need to fill them all in if you have the reference details. http://www.groireland.ie/ You have to post or fax the form to them but they will e-mail the copy certificate to you if you wish. Tick the relevant box on the form.

Tradition was to marry in the bride?s church (assuming the couple attended different churches) so that may be the place to look for the bride?s baptism and that of any siblings. Unless it was a registry office marriage, the specific church and denomination will be on the certificate.

The marriage certificate should also tell you whether James was a policeman. If so, and he was living in Mullingar, then he will have served with the RIC. His RIC service record should give you a little more information about him. RIC staff never served in the counties in which they or their families resided. His service record should however tell you which county he was a native of. They also had to serve 7 years before they were  allowed to marry. There are various ways of getting an RIC service record, but one option is to contact the PSNI museum in Belfast. They provide that information (for a fee).

http://www.psni.police.uk/index/about-us/police_museum/museum_genealogy…

Elwyn

Elwyn - thanks for the info, however I wondered where you got the reference for the marriage - you have said 1862 - I thought they were married in 1861      The fee is 20 not 4      Will wait for your reply before applying for marriage certificate.    Also why do you think he was with RIC - your link is to the Police Service of Northern Ireland       The police search is 25 pounds which is about $46 and I don't want to spend the money and find nothing. Is there some way to search to see if he was with RIC ..... Alison

Alison,

Could you explain how you found the Mullingar reference?  Is it online somewhere or did you have to go to a library or archives and look it up.   I can see on the application form where official certificates are 20€ but photocopies are only 4€.  I am looking for a different family but the information applies to everyone.

thanke

Don Keyes

Massachusetts, USA

Hi Allison,

Elwyn is correct an RIC officer or his wife never served in their birth county, RIC records are also kept in Dublin City Library. Your James was born in Co. Fermanagh.

 Ireland, The Royal Irish Constabulary 1816-1921
about Elliott James Name: Elliott James
Birth Date/Age: 20
Birthplace: Fermanagh
Marriage or Comments: EMIGRATED
Enlisted: 1843
Film #: 856058
Page #: 123
 
Brendan

www.researchireland.com

Brendan - thanks for the information but I don't think it is my James Elliott - the info you forwarded has the enlistment as 1843 aged 20 years (born abt 1823) - I have a death year in Australia 1886 when he was aged 48 years so that suggests a birth year around 1838  - James father was Thomas Elliott

Thanks for your time and effort - how were you able to find the info?  ............. Alison

Don - I don't have any details where I found the Mullingar reference except that it was in my notes, although Elwyn has confirmed this with her reference. I will have another look at the certificate costs, didn't see the option for a copy  .............. Alison

Don,

A lot of information relating to births, deaths and marriages registered in Ireland is available for free on www.familysearch.org .

Always keep in mind that this information was transcribed from orignal documents and as such they will quite frequently contain incorrect details, such as spelling mistakes, incorrect exact dates, spouses may be may be listed as witnesses/sponsors or even parents by mistake etc.

Also, it is possible to have two different dates for a single event. It is possible for a delay of several days, weeks or months between the date an event actually took place and the date it was registered. 

For instance, a birth would be registered by the state on the date the birth occured, however, the child's baptism would be registered at a later date, the birth and baptism dates are quite frequently mixed up. Similarly, a marriage could take place on a particular date and be recorded in the church registers as such, however the marriage may not be registered with the state till later on, giving a second date for the same event. I personally have had to deal with these anomalies and let me tell ya, they can cause havoc on research.

As seen from above, Alison understood a marriage took place in 1861, which it did.... see here....

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGCC-7MJ

However, The marriage may not have been registered until 1862 (see Elwyns first post) but that would only usually happen if the event took place near the end of the calender year. Personally, I reckon the correct date is 1862. The only true way to verify this would be to get the certificate. Photocopies cost 4euro and can be e-mailed upon request.

So, basically, don't limit your research to exact dates unless you have definitive proof that the date you have is correct, instead refer to them as estimates until you know otherwise and maintain a search window of 5 years either side of the dates for research purposes.

AnthonyC

Alison,

I got the marriage details from Familysearch. As has been mentioned already, the fee for a full formal cert is ?20 but the fee for a photocopy is ?4.

The PSNI is the successor to the RIC (for Northern Ireland) and they have a copy of RIC records for all of Ireland. (That information is on the link I sent you).

Elwyn

Elwyn - thanks for the info, will send off for photocopy of certificate and have another go at searching police records  ............... Alison