oconnor/lenihan/cahill

Pat:

i'm trouble locating Caherburg. There are three Caher townlands in Abbeyfeale parish: Caher (Connell), Caher (Hayes) and Caher (Lane).

Did John Joseph emigrate before 1901?

Roger McDonnell

Roger:

I'm not sure.  I cannot locate him for sure in any US census records before 1920.  We know he was born 1877-1878 in or around Abbeyfeale, We do know he was studying with the Sulpicians, but left because of illness.  We also believe his siblings were Mary, Philip, Thomas, Michael, Catherine, Maurice and James.  Because of the draft card, I know he was related to Helen Cahill.  And because of this relationship and his Sulpician experience, it looks like he may have been married by Maurice Cahill, a Sulpician in Baltimore, MD in 1922.

Did he come to the US through Baltimore?  Through Boston?  It's all still part of the puzzle.

It could be his father was the John O'Connor in house #23 in the 1901 Irish Census for the Abbeyfeale Constbulary District.  But without some ttype of verification, I've been reluctant to claim that connection.

Any light you may be able to shed would be most helpful.

Pat O'Connor

Roger:

I'm not sure.  I cannot locate him for sure in any US census records before 1920.  We know he was born 1877-1878 in or around Abbeyfeale, We do know he was studying with the Sulpicians, but left because of illness.  We also believe his siblings were Mary, Philip, Thomas, Michael, Catherine, Maurice and James.  Because of the draft card, I know he was related to Helen Cahill.  And because of this relationship and his Sulpician experience, it looks like he may have been married by Maurice Cahill, a Sulpician in Baltimore, MD in 1922.

Did he come to the US through Baltimore?  Through Boston?  It's all still part of the puzzle.

It could be his father was the John O'Connor in house #23 in the 1901 Irish Census for the Abbeyfeale Constbulary District.  But without some ttype of verification, I've been reluctant to claim that connection.

Any light you may be able to shed would be most helpful.

Pat O'Connor

Pat:

Abbeyfeale was in the Newcastle registration district. There were two John O'Connors born in 1877, one in 1878 and 2 in 1879. No John Josephs in that time period. If you want the details of the index records, I can send them to you. You could then write to the General Register Office to try to get a copy.

I had a hard time finding the census record you mentioned. Is this the record? There was no house 23 in the 1901 census for Abbeyfeale.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Abbeyfeale/Ki…

Roger

 

Roger:

My apologies.  The 1901 record I found was from Mountcollins.  The link is: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Mountcollins/…

And on the Form A, the house # is 23, but on Form B, Page 1, #23 appers to be th home of Patrick OConnor; John OConnor (w/ 6 family members) appears to be listed on Form B, Page 2 in house #6

So, I have the John and Maggie O'Connor living in Mountcollins (not Abbeyfeale), in 1901.  And I also found another name - Caherlevoy.  This could be the reason you couldn't find Caherburg... a wrong intepretation of handwriting.

Thanks for your help.  Ant further insights will always be welcome!

Best

Pat O,Connor

Pat:

One more comment. I'm wondering if the Lenihans in Mountcollins ( houses 4, 5, 6 and 7) are the brothers to Margaret?

Roger

Roger:

I'm looking at that, too.  In fact, I'm trying to tie many of the 1911 list to the 1901 list.  But, with not another means to cross check, it's tough!  I have reached out a Norma Lenihan Healy, who I believe still lives in the Mountcollins/Abbeyfeale area.  She is descended through my Lenihans, and hopefully will be able to tie up some loose ends. 

I have also recently found an O'Connell branch, also related to the Mountcollins clan.  He lives here in Maryland, and his line came from there through Washington, DC.  So, I might have some new leads within the next few weeks or so.

In the meantime, any ligt you may be able toshine from your end will be welcome.  If you have any interest in wading through my ancestry.com tree, please let me know, and I can link you in with an email address.

Thanks again

Best

Pat

Pat:

I think I will pass on your tree. I work on a number of queries on the Ireland XO message board so I can't get too deep on any one message. By the way, I live north of Baltimore.

Roger

The 'Caherburg' may actually be 'Caherbeg,' a townland in Mountcollins Parish, Co. Limerick 'Ballybeg' is a sub-townland in Brosna, Co, Kerry, Brosna is a short distance from Mountcollins.