Manville/Mandeville/Mandiville

Josh:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I will alert our Co. Louth expert about your message.

I did notice that there were four Mandeville families in the 1901 census for Dundalk.

Roger McDonnell

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Hi Josh

alerted I am, I live about 25 miles from Dundalk in Drogheda so have no native knowledge of the area. However I searched the Tithe Applottments for 1834 and found a Philip Mandavell (spelling of name varies but I think we would consider Mandeville the correct one) in Ballinfull, Roche parish, Dundalk. There are 28 hits so just put in Roche and Louth, also a Traynor, Heeny but no Magee.

see http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp As you are probably aware Irish records beyond these church records you found are almost non existent so we use other records just to trace the name and I see in the Hearth Money Rolls (a tax on fire places I think which still exist for some counties including Louth have a Mandeville in http://www.failteromhat.com/louthhearth/ffaghard.php I think now spelled Faughtart.

Also a very interesting site with a number of Mandevilles hits is http://www.jbhall.freeservers.com/ this site deals with Louth and gives lists and grave records, no definite way of telling if your family but indictitive of the name in the county.

The local library offer a service which if it costs will be small in case you wish to research a specific incident. In 1847 which was coming to the end of the famine the port of Drogheda was the 2nd biggest port for migration as there was a service to Liverpool and onward. I have answered a few queries from Wiscosin so it must be a popular place, was in Duluth once upon a time so it is famous for more than Bob Zimmerman or Dylan. See http://www.louthcoco.ie/en/Services/Library/Genealogy-Research-Sources/

There is a Flax Growers list for 1796 and I see a Mandiwel in Dromiskin which is near Roche. It may be a misspelling.

See http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/louth.php

In the 1641 to 1670 there was a land transfer to put it mildly and the owners and new owners can be seen here if you are interested.

http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/ The only Mandeville or similar is James in Tipperary and he appears to have held his land.

The online phone directory lists one Mandeville in Dundalk but landline phones are not as popular now with people so htere may be more, the local paper is the Dundalk Democrat or Dundlak Argus. See http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/ or http://www.independent.ie/regionals/argus/ in case you wish to write to them seeking assistance in tracing relatives.

Also for about $18 you can join the local history society and get online access to their material. See http://www.clahs.com/

I just looked in McLysaghts Surnames of Ireland and the de Mandeville came to Ireland in the 12th century, a Norman family and settled in Antrim (The Normans invaded Ireland in about 1170) some of htem moved ot Tipperary and Waterford and some became Mansfield, He gives a 16th century reference that they changed their name to Mandeville from de Maydewell at that time in Balydine in Tipperary, this is where the fellow is in 1641. If you like I can scan the entry and post it.

If you have any further queries or comments let me know,

Regards

Pat

Dear Roger and especially Pat,  I can't begin to tell you how grateful I am for this incredible help.  I am on many Irish genealogy websites but never before have I had such an immediate and full response.  And I only posted today. Thank you very much.

I'll go through all the links tomorrow morning.  It's getting toward evening here.  (I live actually in Canada, in Ottawa, but grew up in Wisconsin.)

Many, many thanks again, Josh Harvey

Josh:

Glad we could assist. Patrick did all the heavy lifting.

Roger

Dear Pat, I've been going through all your links and they are great!  If you could post the excerpt from McLysaght about the change of the name Mandeville, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for your wonderful help.

Jocelyn

Hi Josh

bit of a delay my other hobby is playing cards and that is my Monday night. Thanks for the kind words, you would be surprised by how few ever reply. My mind also wandered as Duluth is in Minnosota but beside Wiscosin.

Attache pdf, after de Mandeville is the Irish or Gaelic language spelling, also at the end of the entry is the letters MIF for another book More Irish Families, which I do not have, actually while I have not actively sought it I never saw it in any bookshop in hte genealogy section. It also mentions McQuillan which is a name in these parts, assume a synomyn of sorts.

Regards

Pat

Josh

me again, I am getting slow in my old age. There was a land valuation done in Ireland between 1848 and 1864 called Griffiths Valuation and it comes with maps. See http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ I put in Mandeville and clicked variations and got an Alice Mandeville in Roche (it only gives head of house and landlord or tenant). I tried again under places and searched Roche parish Louth and got the townlands and in Ballinfull there is a Philip Manville, there is also a Traynor. This did not come up under variations but by going to the places section.

Now the beauty of this site is you can not only see the amount of land and the landlord but there is a map. Now I am unable to do it but I understand that if you look at the map you can overlay it from maps taken over the years here by our Ordance Survey see http://www.osi.ie/ eventually you can go to google street view and have a look around, it is still fairly rural area so you can get a flavour of how it looks hopefully, if you are like me you may need the help of a 10 year old.

Assume this is still your Philip and hopefully you can take a tour from Canada.

Regards

Pat