William Raleigh

Jim:

Hello again!

A few pieces of information. The first link is the 1830 Tithe listing for Duntryleague showing a John and Patrick League. John would be the father of William. The next link is the 1850 Griffiths for Galbally parish showing a Patrick Raleigh in Duntryleague possibly the same Patrick from 1830 or the brother of William or another relative. Finally the 1901 and 1911 census records for Duntryleague show one Raleigh record in each census. Finally a link for the parish register for Galbally.

Roger McDonnell

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587444/00…

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/limerick/galbally.htm

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Duntryleague/Dunt…

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Duntryleague/Dunt…

http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0264

According to the Tithe Records, there were a John and Patrick Raleigh leasing land in Duntryleague, Galbally in 1830. I assume they were brothers because trees have identified their fathers as Maurice, their first sons were Maurice, both their children’s names were similar, and they were sponsors for each other’s children. According to some trees I have found and Roots Ireland records, John married an Ellen Lee. They had at least 7 children: Bridget 1822, Catherine 1823, Maurice 1825, Thomas 1827, William 1829 (Birth certificate identifies address as Duntryleague. He moved to Chicago and died in 1923), Patrick 1831, and David 1833. I think at some point, John moved to Ballyander, Galbally which is next to Duntryleague. He is recorded in the Griffith Valuation as living there in 1852.

Patrick Raleigh married Mary Murphy Feb 17, 1819 in Galbally- Aherlow County. They had at least 6 children. Bridget 1821, Ellen 1824, Maurice 1825-1845, Mary 1828, Patrick 1831-1900 (He took over the land), and Catherine 1836-1881. Patrick tragically died in 1845 (see story on internet) and his son, Maurice, died in1844. Patrick (1831-1900) inherited the lease and is the Patrick listed on the Griffith Valuation record. His wife took over the land when he died and is listed on the 1901 census. His daughters still held the land in 1911.

In St. John's Cemetery (Old Knockainey, Limerick, found on Historic Graves.com, free website) there are three Raleigh graves next to each other. Two of them are headed by Thomas Rawleigh of Mough, whose descendants moved to Drumcomogue, Emly, Tipperary (my family), and Patrick Rawleigh of Mough, whose descendants moved to Duntryleague, Galbally, Limerick. I think Thomas and Patrick were brothers. Patrick's son was Maurice (1746-1770) who I think had a son Maurice before he died who could have fathered Patrick Raleigh of Duntryleague (1789-1844) and John Raleigh of Duntryleague.

I might have two families incorrectly connected. I would appreciate your thoughts.

Mary

Hello Mary:  I apologize for the tardy response; I have been travelling and was unable to access my paperwork. Thank you very much for the kind information.  I was not aware of William Raleigh's siblings until now.  Interestingly, some of William's 9 children share the names of his siblings:  John, Thomas, Patrick, Bridget.  William had 6 children by his first wife Mary Shanahan; in 1860 Mary's mother Margaret Shanahan and her sister Honora lived with William and Mary.  Family lore has it that Mary's father died either on the journey to America or shortly after arrival, and that he was a "barrister."  -  The same 1860 census shows that William's brother Thomas, with whom he came to America, first to New Hampshire, then to Massachusetts, then to Chicago in 1853, lived with his wife Catherine (of Irish birth) near to William in Chicago.  -  After Mary Raleigh died in 1876, William married Bridget Scanlon.  My grandmother Mildred Raleigh is from that union.  -  William Raleigh died on December 31, 1913.  Thomas Raleigh died in 1926.

This past summer I visited Ireland for the first time in 30 years, for a bit of a family reunion with relatives in Dublin from my mother's Galway family.  I went to Galbally and Knockainey.  I walked the cemetery of which you speak; due to the fact that I was under the impression that the cemetery was Church of Ireland I did not expect to find anything there, plus the cemetery was so overgrown it was almost impossible to discover any graves.  Nonetheless I find your information on Thomas and Patrick Rawleigh buried there intriguing, as my own father said we "were 'roaring Tips'" in origin. (I also visited the Catholic cemetery and found nothing there.)  You are indeed more skilled than I in family research; I appreciate your efforts and do believe there is probably a family connection here.  If I can share any of my information with you, I would be more than happy to do so.  Thanks again.

Sincerely,

Jim Kean

P.S.  I was not able to access any internet information on the tragic death of Patrick Raleigh in 1845 and would be interested in learning more.

Jim,
I was glad to hear back from you. Unfortunately, I am speculating, based on the information I provided in my previous message, that John of Duntreyleague and John of Ballyander are one in the same. I do not have an official record of proof. There are several members on Ancestry.com that have trees for John Raleigh and Ellen Lee’s family. I contacted one of the members who is a descendent of William. I think through his daughter Ellen Lee Raleigh. She did not think they were the same person.

Other than their birth records, I have not compiled any more information on John and Ellen’s children. I think Maurice might have been part of the British Constabulary in Cork. I have not been able to find death records for John or Ellen. Were you able to find their graves at Galbally Cemetery?

I am curious why you were at Old Knockainey Cemetery? Did someone tell you that you had family buried there? I went there in 2003 and it was completely grown over. The caretaker used a hurling stick to push back some of the growth. I never found the gravesites (my parents were shown them in 1973) that is why I was glad to find them on Historicgraves. I thought conditions had improved there. On their website they said they had cleaned up the cemetery and church and were holding events there. Although it’s a Protestant cemetery, I think a majority of the gravesites were Catholic. Not sure what your father meant by ‘roaring Tips’.

If you are connected to the Rawleighs of Duntreyleague, I have done research on my Raleigh family from Drumcomogue and some would apply to you.

In early 2000, an elderly gentleman living in Emly, Tipperary, who was a friend of my Great Uncle Jack Raleigh, told my family that my family was from Mough, Rawleighstown, Limerick. They moved to Ballyholohan, Emly in around 1834 and then to Drumcomogue, Emly around 1850. Tithe Applotment and Griffith Valuation records support this. According to him, they were all buried in Old Knockainey Cemetery, many in unmarked graves.

Records show that the Rawleighs had a castle in Rawleighstown and held a 1000 acres in the early 1600s that was confiscated by Cromwell during his invasion of Ireland and given to the Croker Family around 1650. There is a townland Moigh (Mough) in Caherconlish Parish, next to Raleighstown, they might have been living in. Michael Dwyer, a historian and author, has written papers and books about the area told me after the Raleighs departed Raleighstown they lived on small parcels of land in Knockainey and perhaps there was a townland MOUGH there at the time.

My great great grandfather, Patrick Raleigh, and his brother Thomas were the ones that ended up in Ballyholohan around 1830 before moving to Drumcomogue when their land was needed for the railway. There are other Raleigh families in Emly but I do not think they are connected to mine.

From my research and DNA results I think I am related to the Raleighs of Duntreyleague, Limerick and The Raleighs of Grange, Knocklong and Glenbrohane, Limerick. A contact I made, who use to live in Emly, said my family was also connected to the Raleighs of Mitchelstowdown, Limerick.

My grandfather’s (Philip Raleigh, 1892-1988) parents were Patrick Raleigh and Ann Purcell. In addition to farming, Patrick was known as a great horseman and bred race and saddle horses in Drumcomogue. Patrick and Ann had seven children. One daughter died early and Ellen, their other daughter, married Timothy Quinlan and died in 1937 and is buried at Emly Parish. Two of their sons, Philip (my grandfather) and William, moved to the United States. The other three sons, Patrick (1882-1958), Thomas (1885-1961), and John (Jack) (1890-1969), all stayed single and lived at the farm in Drumcomogue. Jack sold the farm right before his death in 1969. In 2003, I visited Emly and was told the field by the farm was still called Raleigh’s Field. My grandfather, Philip Raleigh, settled in Chicago about 1914.

I could not find the article on Patrick Raleigh of Duntryleague. Basically, he was overseer of one of the Massey estates and someone killed him in December 1844 using a pitchfork and blunt object.

Maybe someday we will be able to confirm we are talking about the same John.
Keep in touch- Mary

Jim,

I think we are too many generations apart to do an effective DNA comparison. If one of your family members has DNA results on AncestryDNA, there is a woman who is the ggg granddaughter of Ellen Raleigh who is the daughter of Patrick Raleigh of Duntreyleague, d.1844, and Mary Murphy. There still maybe too many generations and sometimes not all of us are passed down the same DNA; but if she is a match, it might mean the John of Ballyander and John of Duntreyleague are the same.

Let me know what you think- Mary

Jim-

I was wondering if you saw my posting January 20th and if you have a response.

Mary

Mary & Jim 

Both the Murphy's and Raleigh's are interwoven with several of my Galbally & Ballylanders families . The townlands of Curraghkilbran & Garrynalyna crop up again and again .. 

Mary Murphy who married Patrick Raleigh Feb 1819 and lived in Duntryleague appears to be link but getting further back is problematic due to lack of records 

Dear Mary and Cordangan:

Thank you both for your responses.  I have been trying to digest the comprehensive information I have been provided!  In answer, Mary:  I was confused over the cemeteries I visited this summer.  Old Knockainey/St. John's was well-kept and a cursory walk among the graves provided no information; I had no information about family members being buried there.  I then visited an old cemetery in Duntryleague; it was indeed completely overgrown, with any/all graves unrecognizable.  I have learned that the small ruined chapel on the site was the chapel of the Massey family - you had referenced Patrick Raleigh of Duntryleague as an overseer of the Massey estate, so that does seem to fit.  Stopping at a house in Duntryleague, I was told there had been a Raleigh descendant living nearby in recent years.  -  My father's reference to our being "roaring Tips" in origin would seem to fit with Thomas Rawleigh of Mough, Emly, Tipperary?

I'll continue to work on things on my end - albeit in short bursts!  Thanks again.

Jim Kean

Funding has been requested   to clean up and note the headstones in Duntryleague graveyard ..

Jim and Cordangan,
Thank you for the updates. My great grandmother was Honora Murphy Fogarty (1843-1926). I think she was born in Cloghleafin, Glanworth Parish, Cork. Her father was John Murphy. She married John Fogarty in 1865 and, eventually, they moved to Ballinvreena, Glenbrohane and Galbally Parish, Limerick. I have found no connection to Mary Murphy Raleigh’s family.

In 1998, someone posted on Rootsweb that Patrick Raleigh’s father was Maurice Raleigh and Mary Murphy’s father was John Murphy.

Per Mary and Patrick’s marriage record, they were married 17 Feb 1819, in Galbally & Aherlow Parish. No fathers were identified but Maurice Raleigh and John Murphy were witnesses. On some of Mary and Patrick’s children’s birth records, a John Murphy and a Margaret Murphy show up as witnesses.

Along with Patrick and John Raleigh, a John Murphy shows up in the 1830 Tithe Applotment as leasing land in Duntryleague. I did not find a Murphy holding land in Duntryleague in the 1852 Griffith Valuation. In 1847 there was some sort of case concerning Duntryleague land. Massey was mentioned and it was noted that “representatives of John Murphy and Patrick Raleigh, deceased” were there. I know Patrick died in 1844. I am not sure if the previous statement was suggesting that John had also passed on. If so, it would have occurred sometime after 1831 when he was witness to Patrick Raleigh’s (1831-1900) baptism.

I am assuming the John Murphy mentioned above was Mary's father. It could be her brother named John or other relative that was leasing the land.
Take care- Mary

Jim,
Are you in contact with any of Williams descendants? I was looking at the trees on Ancestry this week and many show Ballylander as where John and Ellen died, no date. One shows John might have died in Chicago. To date, I have found no records that suggests they lived in Ballylander. I thought the Griffith Valuation from 1852 with a John Raleigh living in Ballylander was him. However, this week I was told a John Raleigh (abt.1820-1893) m. Johanna Jordan and a Thomas Raleigh (abt. 1819- abt. 1875) m. Mary Lynch were the Raleighs identified on the Griffith Valuation living in Ballylander. Their children’s christenings show Ballylander as their address. John, not yours, died in 1893 still living in Ballylander. I think Thomas moved to Brooklyn, Kings, New York in around mid 1850 and died between 1875-1880.
I could not find any more info on John and Ellen’s daughters, Catherine or Bridget. Could John and Ellen have died sometime after the Tithe Applotment in 1832 and their family scattered? William, Thomas, Patrick, and David to the US; Maurice to Cork; and Bridget and Catherine (could have married, died or moved somewhere else). Has any info been passed down about John and Ellen?
I still think Ellen and John are related to Patrick Raleigh and Mary Murphy of Duntryleague.
Another twist, the John living in Ballylander (1820-1893) grandsons were represented by Patrick Raleigh J.P. of Duntryleague (1831-1900) in a court case. It was noted he was their relative. I think somehow all of these families are connected.
Take care- Mary

Mary:  I'm currently in Florida doing volunteer work with migrant workers, so I've had neither the chance nor the records at hand to properly respond.  I'll be back in Chicago mid-April and will pick up the trail then!  By the way, if I may...where do you reside?

Thanks and Blessed St. Patrick's Day to you,

Jim Kean

Jim-

Thank you for responding. Your volunteer work must be rewarding. I live in Virginia outside of Washington, D.C.

Last week, I was in touch with the wife of one of William's family members on Ancestry.com. She is looking at some of her files to see if we can figure out what happened to John Raleigh and Ellen Lee. I am also in touch with a group that are trying to sort out Raleigh families that lived in Limerick/ Tipperary.

If I come across anything, I will let you know but won't expect a response back.

Happy St. Patrick's Day to you as well.

Mary

Jim,

I hope your mission is going well.

This week someone told me about an article she read about Patrick Raleigh of Duntryleagues death in 1844. It discusses he held a farm in partnership with his brother. I assume John, since Patrick and John Raleigh are listed on the 1830 tithe applotment records for Duntryleague. According to the article, Patrick's brother had died six years earlier (abt.1838) and his widow (I assume Ellen) had gotten into debt and was going to loose her portion of the farm. Her daughter, Catherine Raleigh, married James Foley in 1842. James tried to help bail them out but they were eventually ejected from the farm.

Some of Catherine and James' children were christened in Ballylander where I assume they moved to. Perhaps Ellen, who I think was born in Ballylander, moved there as well. I still have not found a record for her death.

Take care- Mary

Jim

I think you should try looking at the Tithes and Griffiths valution records for curraghkilbran, Galbally, Limerick.

I have just returned from there.

Margaret Murphy married to Patrick Troy there in 1826 was my gg grandmother. 

The tithes books show there were only 9 people listed in the Tithes records in Curraghkilbran at the time. They included three/ four murphys

Bridget number 339

patrick number 342

Patrick and John number 343

By the time of Griffiths valuation, the land had passed to William Murphy. He had been willed the lease on the land by his father over in Clogheen.

The Troy land was next to the Murphy land. The River Aherlow borders the Troy land and is the County boundary.

Mary may well have been Margaret's sister and Bridget their mother.

This area is right on the Limerick/ Cork/ Tipperary border so you you to look in all three counties for records. If you see a reference to Mitchelsown Cork it is because this was the administrative centre for the area.

Regards

Tania Sweeney

Australia 

Jim,

I hope you are doing well and enjoying this Thanksgiving weekend. I was researching my g great uncle, Thomas Raleigh (1844-bef.1930) of Ballyholohan/ Drumcomogue, Tipperary who moved to Chicago. During my research I came across an1870 US census with Thomas Raleigh, Ward 7 Chicago, born in Ireland about 1830, wife- Catherine, occupation - policeman. Was this William's brother? Did they fight in the Civil War?

Regards- Mary

...thank you, Mary, hope you are well.  I'm back in FL so haven't had much time to do research.  However, William's brother was Thomas, and it was with Thomas - and I believe a brother Patrick - that William came to the US, first to NH, then MA, then Chicago, where both William and Thomas died.  My limited research has shown that neither William nor Thomas served in the Civil War.  William did have a son Thomas L. (1858-1926).  I believe William's other brothers were David and Maurice.  Apparently their father died in 1838, before the Famine, so in subsequent years I suspect the family lost everything.  Thomas' Irish baptismal record shows the name recorded as "Rawley" - I've seen this spelling used by the family in the US at various times - to add to the confusion!

Thanks for staying in touch,

Jim Kean