Scahill/Delahaunty

Clive:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

You may want to add more particulars about your Scahills so that others may see if there is a connection with your family.

The 1854 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Kilbeggan civil parish does show a Simon Scahill on Lower Main St. in Kilbeggan. I assume this is your ancestor (or his son).

The 1901 census only showed one Scahill household a brother and sister in Kilbride parish near Tullamore. I did not see them in the 1911 census.

Roger McDonnell

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/westmeath/kilbeggan.htm

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Durrow/Ballyduf…

Unfortunately I know very little about Simon & Bridget.

Simon died about 1867 in the Tullamore workhouse, and Bridget died about 1876 in Naas, Kildare, Co Wicklow.

They had five children, Patrick Joseph, Jame, Macella, Thomas & Bridget. all of whom emigrated to Sydney. NSW, Australia ( Marcella & Jane together aboard the SSLismoyne on 29/11/1849. Bridget aboard the Joseph Soames on 3/02/1852. I haven't located the emigration records for Patrick or Thomas yet).

You may want to consider autosomal DNA testing.

Roger

Hi Clivewo

Thomas Scahill arrived in Australia on the bounty ship "Joseph Soames' birthing in Sydney Harbour on 1st February 1852. Because he was an immigrant assisted by public funds some records were kept of him. He was described as a single male of 23 years being a gardeners assistant and farm laboureer from Kilbeggan, County Westmeath, Ireland. He was a Catholic and able to read and write. On the ship was his sister Bridget Scahill aged 18 years, listed as a childs maid and able to read and write. He married Mary Moylen on 29 December 1852. It is also known that he spent two years in Victoria at some time. Mary died and he later married his sister in law's sister Elizabeth Carroll.

Thomas and his brother Patrick both acquired land in the King's Grove Estate, Sydney, a large tract of land of 500 acres originally granted to Mrs Hannah Laycock in 1804 which was cut up and subdivided as part of Simeon Lords estate. Patrick and Thomas had adjoining lots on the estate of approx 10 or so acres - Lots 16 & 2. Much of the King's Grove Estate had been covered by heavy valuable timber including oak, stringybark, ironbark and mahogany. Gradually orchards and market gardens became established including those of Thomas and Patrick. Canterbury was established as a municipality and Thomas was listed in the first group of Aldermen.

Elizabeth died in 1898 and is buried in the old Catholic section of Rookwood Cemetery. Thomas survived her by 20 years spent his final years with his son Billy who lived not far from the Canterbury race course.  He is buried with Elizabeth - grave no. 79, section N. Only Elizabeths name appears on the headstone.

Patrick Scahill arrived in Australia: Arrival Date: 25 Feb 1850, Vessel Name: Anglia, Ship Origin Location: Cullen, County Tipperary, Ireland . He was described as a single male of 27 years being a farm laboureer from Kilbeggan, County Westmeath, Ireland. He was a Catholic and able to read and write.

He married Rosanna Carroll on 13 Apr 1852 at St Mary's Cathedral, Sydney, Australia. His business was as described above. They had seven children and Rosanna died in 1909 and Patrick died in 1894. He is buried in Rookwood cemetery. They are my great great grandparents.

I am sorry but I dont have any knowledge of James and would love to hear any information you have. Hope this helps you.

Best regards

Helen

Also their mother Bridget is not alive at the time of their voyages.

Thank you for all this information Helen. it is my wife's family I am researching with this and we both graetly appreciate your help and all the information you have supplied.

It has filled in quite a few gaps though we would love to know more about the life of their parents Simon Scahill & Bridget Delahaunty and this couple's ancestors.

Warm regards

Clive Worsnop 

Hi Clive - could you tell whom your wife is descended from in the Scahill line? And if you have any information on James.

Regards

Helen

Hi Helen, my wife is directly decended from Simon & Bridget;s second daughter (3rd child) Marcella born abt 1826 in Killbeggan and who travelled to Australia as an unassisted, passenger aboard the SS Lismoyne on 29/11/1849 aged 26 years.

She married John Powell in 1853 at St Mary's Roman Catholic Church in Sydney.

Simon & Bridget had five childern that I know of, all of whom emigrated to Australia.

I have no record of any James Scahill on the family line.

Thanks Clive. 

I think James is an anonamlly from your typo in your earlier message. LOL Instead of Jane you put in Jame.....subsequently I was keen to know who Jame(s) was?

Say hello to my distant second cousin three or four times removed (your wife) for me. You must a lucky man to marry a lady from our family. 

No one has info on Simon and Bridget other than what I have given you and the fact that Simon was supposed to be a gardner. Irelands Griffiths valuations placed Simon in Lower Main Street, Killbeggan between 1847 and 1864 sometime.

I was in Ireland last Xmas and went to Killbeggan. Asked around about the name of Scahill but no one had heard of it.

The Delahunty name seems to come up more and Bridget may have had a sister Anne who married Michael Burke. There was also a Patrick and Anthony (Anty) Delahunty in the same Parish. Whether these are siblings I dont know.

It looks like that once their mother Bridget died her children decided to leave Ireland and left their father to his own devices. Maybe Simon was a drinker and drank himself into the workhouse. If he was a drinker and his children were sending money then he probably just drank it. Its hard to imagine how else he got there. One of Simons sons obituaries talks of how they went first to Bendigo and Ballarat when they got to Australia........ but that obviously didnt last long as they were marrying and reproducing in Sydney fairly well.

Should you ever dig up more on Simon and Bridget I would love to know.

Cheers

Helen

Thanks Helen.

Yes, from someone who owned land, and I know the Delahauntys also owned land in Kilbeggan Main Street at the same time, so neither family were really poor, for Simon to end up in the workhouse is very disapointing.

When I was looking for his wife's death, I found one  in 1876 in Naas, Co Kildare, which was 9 years after Simon's death.

I don't know if this is my Bridget or not.  

I have located three possible births for Bridget Delahaunty:
1. B 1810 D 1870 Roscrea
2. B 1800 D Apr-Jun 1887 Roscrea
3. B 1809 D Jan-Mar 1894 Roscrea
But I am not sure that any is the correct one, and clearly the one who died in Naas is none of these.

It should be remembered that people went to the workhouse for any number of reasons, loss of job. sickness, infirmity, lack of family to care for them when they were old, as Simon was aprox 79 when he died, I think it possible that when his children left Eire, probably because of the Potato Famine, Simon was devastated and he went down hill. If he had no income too, the workhouse would be the only place to go.

Which of Simon's offspring are you decended from? 

Best wishes

Clive

Hi Clive

My ancestor was Patrick Scahill through his daughter Bridget Scahill who married Paul Regan and their son Francis (Frank) Regan. Frank was my grandfather and father of my father. Bridget went a bit funny in her old age (she had lost three of her children through early deaths) and burnt all the family photos including her childrens wedding photos so we dont have much to show beyond a few of my fathers childhood photos of his family. And certainly none of Bridget and Paul or their families.

Do you have a photo of Marcella? I would so love to see it if you had any old photos. If you do I will put my email address here for you.  hellybelly3@bigpond.com  

I notice on Marcella's shipping records that she states that only her father was living when she left in 1849. Also by February in 1850 Patrick's shipping records state his parents names and that his father is living. Thomas's records state that she is dead in 1852 when he came to Australia. So obviously Bridget had died before anyone left so we are looking for a death record between 1833 (young Bridgets birth) and 1849.

Let me know if you find it. Its probably been transcribed incorrectly........we might need to search under the various spellings of Delahunty.

cheers

Helen

Hi Clive - I rechecked my information on Bridget Scahills and I noticed this death notice I saved. It seems that someone from the Scahill family had gone to America to live. Do you know anything about this?

17 Jan 1923 • Benedictine Monastery "Subiaco", Parramatta, NSW

Date 17 Jan 1923 Location Benedictine Monastery "Subiaco", Parramatta, NSW Bridget Scahill (in religion Sister Mary Baptist), oldest surviving member of the Scahill Families of Canterbury, Belmore and U.S.America, aged 90 years. (SMH 20 Jan 1923)

Cheers

Helen