Thompson - Lynden - Hayes

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out and apologies for the long delay in getting back to you.

Records for the parish begin in 1802 and there are gaps for the births in the first 6 months of 1808. If you take a short subscription to rootsireland.ie you will be able to see what records are available. Alternavitely you can look at the ditigised originals at registers.nli.ie HERE for free. 

I wanted to invite you too, to add your ancestor's details to our XO Chronicles. You can learn more about it HERE and it might be another avenue to consider so that your ancestor's details can be seen by others. 

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

Thomas Hayes listed on the Tithe Applotments for 1833 in Cullyfad, Killoe. He appears to have a very small holding of less than 3 acres

Patrick Hayes listed on Tithe Applotments farming a little over 17 acres at Gowlan, Killashee c 1830

John Lindon listed on Tithe Applotments farming a little over 13 acres at Churchtown, Killashee. Appears to be a Churchyard on or close to the land holding.  From your posting this might suggest that the Lindons/ Lyndons married into the Hayes holding at Gowlan. Lyndons and Hayes would have been close neighbours geographically in the Parish of Killashee.

Omigosh ...this is so exciting. Thank you both, very much indeed! I'm off to compare what you found to the people in my tree. What a lovely Christmas present! Thank you!

I show John "Linden" with a house, offices and 41 acres in Gowlan, with Gowlan listed as being part of Ballymacormick. Elsewhere, Gowlan seems to be part of the parish of Killashee. Can you shed any light? Are there two Gowlans?

Gowlan is located between Ballymacormack and Killashee. It would be part of Killashee parish today but may have been administered as part of Ballymacormack in the past. My cousins, the Waters family farm part of Gowlan now.

Hayes gravestones in St Johns Churchyard, Longford

Extracted from 'No Stone Unturned' published Dec 2016

Here lieth the Remains of John Hayes

late of Gowlan who departed this

life on the 22nd day of June 1821

aged 70 yrs

Also his son James Hayes who died

on the 22nd Nov 1834 aged 42 years

Also Alexr Hayes son to the aforesaid

James Hayes who departed this life

the 17th Decr 1832 aged 8 months

This tomb was erected by Eleanor

Hayes alias Ross the loving wife of

James Hayes as a token of affection

to their memory

There is a note in the recent publication - 'No Stone Unturned' by Luke Baxter & Hugh Farrell to say that

Mary Anne Hayes , eldest daughter of James Hayes married Arthur Burns of Mohill in Boyle Church in 1850.

Next to the above stone in the same graveyard is

This stone was erectd

By his son John Hayes

in Memory of his

Father James Hayes

who departd this life

Febry 10th 1735 agd 54 yrs

also his son James who

Depd Febry 17th 1779 agd 

1 year and 1 month

Although I cannot be sure, I would make an educated guess that both these stones refer to the same family.

From the above you have

James Hayes b 1680/1 d 1735

John Hayes b unknown d unknown

James Hayes b 1778 d 1779 ( infant death)

John Hayes b 1750/1 d 1821 

James Hayes b 1791/2 d 1834

Alexander Hayes b 1832 d 1832 (infant death)

 Note; This James Hayes left a widow Eleanor (Ross) Hayes & at least one other child Mary Anne Hayes 

Also from 'No Stone Unturned'

At St Catherines Church, Ballymacormack ( Church of Ireland)

In Loving Memory of

Thomas Hayes, Mohill

who died 25th Sept 1885

aged 63

Also his wife Mary Jane

Died Jan 1915

I am the resurrection and the life

Notes say Thomas Hayes was a draper in Mohill, Co Leitrim with family connections to Gowlan

The reason for using a different graveyard are

1) Ballymacormack Church of Ireland was opened around 1826 so no graveyard was available prior to 1826

2) St Johns Graveyard was about to be closed - officially closed in 1893 however on the purchase of further land St Johns opened again some years later

It might be worth looking at Killashee graveyard as well for further Hayes graves

John Farrell I am incredibly grateful. Luke Baxter has been in touch with me, but apart from the Thomas Hayes stone I had none of this info before. I also did not know that the Ballymacormack church was called St. Catherine's! Mr. Baxter kindly sent me a photo of Thomas Hayes' stone to show me how near it stands to the grave of Ellen Hayes Lynden, my great-great grandmother. They are buried just a few feet apart. I have no knowledge (yet) of what their relationship was. Thomas was born when Ellen was 20. She was 34 when she married John Lynden. She might have been Thomas' mother, for all I know -- or a much-older sister -- or just a cousin from Gowlan, since he was from Mohill. For all I know, Hayes was her first marriage and Lynden her second, and she's really a Farrell. ;) The information about the graveyards is extremely helpful and interesting. And now I have more Hayeses to research! Thank you! As of today I have no one in my tree named Farrell or Waters. Has your family been long in the area?

Is "Ellen" short for "Eleanor"-?? Is it possible that "Ellen Jane Hayes" is the same person as Eleanor Hayes (Ross)?? If so, she would have been 32 when James Hayes died, and might very well have married his neighbor John Lynden a few years later. Is this a "stretch"-? I looked through all the baptisms in 1802 and the first part of 1803 at registers.nli.ie and found no Ellens at all, but several Eleanors. But of course she could have been baptised in another parish or might not have been born in 1802 after all.

Yes. What you suggest is a possibility, Pet names and variations on names was almost habitual in Ireland in those times.

Many people also used their second names as their first name was either a traditional family name or a religious name and often not what the parents wanted to call their child at all but tradition dictated.

I also note their was an Arthur Ross farming in Gowlan too (see Tithe Applotments records free on line)  so it appears to be neighbouring families intermarrying which was very common in rural Ireland in the tenants farming classes.

Thank you! I believe that "Ellen Jane Hayes" surely must be the same woman as Eleanor Ross Hayes. After I posted these messages to you I realized ... my grandfather's middle name was Ross! (John Ross Lynden) And his father's name -- the first child born to John Lynden and Ellen Ross Hayes Lynden -- was Richard Alexander. So his middle name is the same as Ellen's baby who died at 8 months. God bless the Irish propensity to name children after family members ... it often provides important pieces to the puzzle, or at least solid clues!

Diane,

Interesting story on the XO Chronicles.

You should try to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate of Jane Lynden & Samuel Thompson, Longford, 1874, Volume 13, Page 189. This should contain information on both parties father's names. Use the following website:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/images/content/GRO_Documents/Form_for_DAH…

Let me know how you get on,

David Leahy

email:  david leahy@eircom.net (without the space between david and leahy)

Oh my goodness! Didn't know it was available. Thank you so much! It's difficult to order the records from America due to the currency thing ... but the civil registration index available for free through familysearch.org only has Samuel Thompson listed, not even the bride's name. My husband does not understand my interest in "dead people" ... so I try to restrict my explorations to the free sites. I may have to make an exception here! Thank you again.

Diane,

Jane Lynden's surname is given variously as Lynam/Lynden/Synden on the FamilySearch.org website - the variations being accounted for by the typing up of handwritten records. The reference numbers for Jane Lynam/Lynden/Synden match those for Samuel Thompson in my last post. Eliza Jane Lynden appears as Jane Lynden in the civil registration marriage records.

The marriage certificate should also provide addresses for Jane Lynden & Samuel Thompson at the time of their marriage in 1874 as well as the names of the witnesses to the marriage.

All the Best,

David