Callaghans of Killarney and McCarthys of Kilcummin

PeruDog:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

www.irishgenealogy.ie  has the church records for Killarney and Kilcummin parishes. The Killarney records go back to the late 1700s and the Kilcummin records start in 1821.I noticed that Patrick had at least two siblings.

I was able to locate the 1882 civil marriage record for Patrick and Kate which shows their fathers names.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

Also found the 1852 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Killarney parish and Patrick Callaghan (the father) is shown on High St. http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/kerry/killarney.htm

I did not find a marriage record for Mary Cronin and the elder Patrick Callaghan.

Roger McDonnell

Thank you so much Roger...yes, I also found thos records. I was hoping to go beyond this information. Perhaps in my next trip to Killarney I can look for Callaghans and Mccarthys that have developed their family trees and can confirm that the Patrick the elder you also found is indeed my GG's father and that he married Mary Cronin. On my last trip to Killarney I noticed many McCarthys still reside in Kilcummin so I suspect I have a cousin or two still residing there.  

PeruDog:

The problem you have which you already know is that your names are very common. You could look further back in the Killarney records but how do you know if you have the right record? 

Have you considered autosomal DNA testing. You may match someone who has more info on your family in Ireland.

Please also consider adding the stories of your ancestors who left Ireland to our XO Chronicles site https://www.irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/ancestor-dat…

Roger

Thanks again Roger. Yes, I've done autosomol, the 67 marker and the Big Y DNA tests. The latter after being persuaded by the McCarthy surname project to validate the Callaghan/McCarthy linkage. That's deep history though.

A cousin on the McCarthy side found me thorugh the autosomol DNA. From the Big Y I learned a number of Callghans are related to the Mccarthy sept of Cashel, Co Tipperary, starting around 940 AD -- my Callaghan DNA follows that link. From the Big Y test I know fairly certain of the longer ancestral, historical journey that my line of Callaghans come from, specifically Mallow, Cork but of course, that doesn't help discover any new cousins!

As you suggest though, I will add my story of Patrick and Kate McCarthy Callaghan having "sold out" as mentioned in the Kilcummin accounting and their deparure from Killarney. It's an interesting family story. My aunt told me as a young boy that her dad, my grandad,was concieved in Ireland but born in New York. As a 10year old boy I never quite undertood the context of concieved but remembered the story. When I started digging into my genealogy as an adult I dicovered that my Grandfather was born September 1887 and I found the ship's manifest for Patrick,Kate, and their two children who arrived in NY in July, 1887, two months earlier. They arrived on the SS Wyoming. That allowed me to start my search more earnestly in Killarney. It was one of those wow! moments, the reason we dig for family history.  

Thanks again Roger. Steve

Steve:

All the best with your research! I have taken the autosomal DNA test with Ancestry and Family Tree DNA and also a Y-111 test with Family Tree. Not ready to jump into the Big-Y. Found a lot of connections with the autosomal testing. You may want to look into Gedmatch www.gedmatch.com  You can upload your raw DNA dtata and see if you have matches with people who tested with other companies (and also loaded their data to Gedmatch).

Can't tell if you have been to Ireland (and Killarney). Killarney is a great town.

Roger