Henry / Henery

Latton townland is in Aghnamullen civil and church of Ireland parish, and unfortunately the early records for this parish are among those listed as lost at the Public Records Office during the Civil war (RCBL Parish list 2017). For records after the start of civil registration, i.e. births and death for 1864 onward, the place to search is the free IrishGenealogy website. I'll have a look through the various Henry/Henery records for this district and update here if I locate any likely links to your family...

What residence is given for Joseph snr,. on the marriage record ?
If this is also Latton then I'd say it's likely your Joseph - Griffith's for this area is dated  1858, so just before the marriage.

found marriages for two sons :

Thomas Henry and Margaret Connolly 12th November 1877, Aghnamullen Parish Church (CofI)
William Henry and Anne Smith 25th November 1879, Aghnamullen Parish Church (CofI)

Both grooms give their residence as Latton, and father as Joseph Henry occupation farmer. One of the witnesses to Thomas'  marriage is a Samuel Henry.

There's also a possible marriage for Joseph jnr. on the 28th April 1897 to Sarah Belle Draffin.in The grooms.residence is given as Aghnamullen and his father's name as Joseph a farmer.

On the death cert you have for Sarah, is she noted as a widow or married ?

As you may have already seen there's a good match for Sarah's father John on Griffith's Primary Valuation at Derryroosk townland, which is located about 5km north of Latton townland.

Thank you for your replies Shanew147.  

Regarding a Samuel Henry being  witness at Thomas Henry's marriage on the 12th November 1877 - my Samuel sailed 25th November 1877, the 'Wanganui' sailed from London and Plymouth.  Would Samuel have had time to get from County Monaghan to either London or Plymouth in 13 days?  

I wasn't sure on the marriage between Joseph and  Elizabeth Knox, but I can look into that and the one later to Sarah Draffin.

Sarah Henry death - Unfortunately I am not sure if she was a widow or married as I was given the information from a relative in Auckland many years ago and that detail was not included. That I can follow up on.    There is a Sarah Henry in the Ireland Civil Reg Death Index 1864-1958 for Oct-Nov-Dec 1898  District Cootehill.   Was 'Millmore House' a hospital or workhouse?

With John born c 1858-59 I would like to establish if the first wife of Joseph is his mother or Sarah Moncrieff.  John is my great grandfather.  The children state that Sarah is their mother, but she would have been the only mother they knew.

Kind regards, Barbara

I also had a look at that Sarah Henry death but neither the location or date matched the details you mentioned, no mention of Latton or Millmount house. She was a widow with reported age 77 (c1821) and the informant was a son named Thomas Henry...  Millmount was a large private house, I was thinking possibly a place of employment for Sarah.

13 days does seem a little bit tight for a trip from Cavan to Plymount, but might just have been possible - there was a railway to Cavan by the 1880s but not sure if it was in place by 1877,and there was frequent ferry crossings to Scotland, England and Wales including one from Dublin to Holyhead in Wales from which a direct railway line ran all the way to London as part of a Govenrment supported Mail link and from London on to Plymouth.
 

I checked Slater's 1870 DIrectory - there was a railway station in Cavan town back to that year at least, it was part of the Midland Great Western Line.

The nearest railway station to Latton appears to have been Rockcorry on the Cootehill branch of the Clones to Dundalk railway. According to Johnson’s Gazetteer of Irish Railways, that railway opened in 1860. Rockcorry to Dublin, took 4 hours (changing at Ballybay & Dundalk). There would then be an overnight ferry to Liverpool or Holyhead (6 or 7 hours).  Bradshaws Railway Guide lists a train from Liverpool at 10.00 every day arriving Plymouth at 22.40. So Samuel could have probably got from Monaghan to Plymouth in about 36 hours without any great difficulty. 

Thank you shanew147 and Elwyn for the information on the railway and the possibility of Samuel, along with brother John and sister Sarah, attending Thomas's wedding before they left Ireland, most likely to never return.      But now I have to establish that there is a Thomas born to this family.

Joseph's first marriage and the death of his wife certainly would be an advantage, but where do I get that?

There are so many HENRY's/HENERY's with same christian names.  (What was wrong with using Brianna or Prescott for instance).

Barbara

Thanks Elwyn, I had not come across Johnson’s Gazetteer before, sounds interesting. I'm going to look for a copy of that.

Barbara - re Joseph's first marriage and the death of this wife - since her death seems to have taken place before the start of civil records in 1864 and the Aghnamullen CofI records for the parish do not survive there will be no record of her death. There is a graveyard attached to Christ Church (CofI), Aghnamiullen which would be worth checking to see if there are any headstones relating to your family - see Historic OSI map.

Registration of non-Catholic marriages started in 1845 but I dont see any other likely marriages in Cootehill district between 1845 and 1859 for Joseph, he may have married in a nearby area... I had a look for possible marriages in adjacent districts 1845 to 1859, but nothing promising showed up even close to Co. Cavan. The closest were two in Banbridge district some 40 miles (c65 km) to the north east of Latton, and one in Cookstown district based about the same distance to the north..

There's a possible death of Joseph in Cootehill district in 1876 that's worth making a note of - the register image is not yet available on IrishGenealogy but should be included in updates later this year.

EDITED : I found some headstone photos and transcripts for Aghnamullen on IGP - see entry 14 which mentions a Henry family at Millmore House. Maybe that's where the reference your relative had for Sarah came from - looks to me like this may be a different Henry family - possibly this household on the 1901 census. Millmore house is in Derry townland (OSI) which is located between Latton townland and Aghnamullen village.

Shane,

Johnson’s Atlas & Gazetteer was published in 1997 (or my copy was anyway). ISBN 1 85780 044 3. I can’t see a price on it anywhere.  Worldwide distribution by Midland Counties Publications e-mail midlandbooks@compuserve.com

I got it because I regularly get asked: “how would my ancestor have travelled to Dublin/Belfast/Queenstown." It has maps of all the lines, when they opened and closed and I have found it very helpful. It’s also quite interesting in its own right if you have ever wondered about closed railways in your own vicinity. It tells you a bit about them.

I also have a very old copy of Bradshaw’s Railway timetables which gives all the timetables for Ireland and Britain in the early 1900s. Again useful when working out how long those journeys might have taken.

I found a second hand 1998 copy of Johnson's online, which should be on it's way to me. I have a reprint of a Bradshaw's somewhere which cannot locate at the moment....I'm a fan of directories and have watched quite a few of the BBC series where Michael Portillo uses a copy of Bradshaw's in his travels

thanks again

Hi again Barbara - I was looking into that Thomas Henry son of Sarah and believe this is him with his family on the 1901 and 1911 census returns. Based on the birth of their son Frederick George in 1882, at Latton townland, this is the same Thomas and Margaret nee Connolly as mentioned on the marriage earlier. On that marriage his father is Joseph and groom's resdence as Latton. The census returns list Thomas and Maragaret at Derry townland the same one as Millmore House.

Taking a look back at that death for Sarah Henry 30th November 1898, I believe the address in Moylemore (Moyle More) townland which is adjacent to both Latton and Derry townlands, so it's looking pretty certain that this is 'your' Sarah. 'Moyle More' sounds similar to Millmore ?

The death registration for Sarah Henry show her as a Widow of a farmer, so Joseph died before this date - which would mean the 1876 entry mentioned earlier is definitely a possibility.
 

You are such a great help shanew147, thank you so much.  Where would we be without helpful people like you that are so generous with their time to help others.  I will look at that information you sent.  Will have to do my Census online first.  Today 6th March, is Census day in New Zealand and is the first year that we can enter our information online.  Not sure how successful it will be as I fear many people will find it just too hard to do without the help of an enumerator.  Time will tell.

I also enjoy watching The Great British railway journeys.

Barbara

One more detail for you - I looked into that Frederick George Henry we mentioned and found a marriage for him near Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh, which is located about 80 km (c49 miles) to the north west of Latton.   The marriage took place in Derryvullan Church of Ireland Parish on the 4th October 1916 - the groom's occupation is given as Farmer, and his residence as 'Millmore House, Aghnamullen, Ballybay', father's name Thomas Henry, farmer. The bride is Elizabeth Mary Margaret Flavelle, residence Tamlaght, Enniskillen and her father is a Thomas Flavelle, soldier. The witnesses are a Joseph M. Henry and Elizabeth M. .??ldCroft.

I found some additional details on Elizabeth Flavelle which I can post here if that's of interest...

Hi shanew147, thank you but at this stage in my research I would just like to concentrate on Joseph and Sarah's immediate family.  But may look at that at a later date.

There is one thing that I am unsure about - As Joseph (b 1866) is Joseph and Sarah's son as per Irish Civil Reg.   The death of the Sarah Henry in 1898 states her age as 77 with approx birth date 1821/22 which would mean she was 45 years old when Joseph was born.  A little too old to be bearing children in those days I would think.  Either this Sarah is not the mother of Joseph or her age has been recorded incorrectly by her son and there is no recording of a birth for Sarah we will never know for sure.

Barbara