McCormick / Garsten

Hello J

I think we may have a vowel issue, firstly I have searched for a birth for Bridget and found 6 in Louth (1835 to 1842), currently I am unable to proceed further with the detail but will revert, none thought appear to have a father Patrick. 

I also see a Jane Garsten born in Louth in 1828, I searched this site for Garsten and found one in 1833 in Park Street, Dundalk, there is a Garston in Park Street Dundalk in 1840 and about 40 Garston hits, and about 20 Garstin hits, some I think must be the same families, hence my vowel issue but fairly sure this is not the first time for you, it also arises in the McCormaick or McCormack  and I see other varients. http://www.jbhall.freeservers.com/ 

It would assist if we knew the likely demonination of the people as we are dealing with church records prior to 1864 when we had full civil registration, Protestant marriages from 1845, civil registration. 

Does the census say how long they were married and any idea when the emigrated or any extra info on the death certs or headstones if any.

I need to check with our adminstrator as I have an access issue currently but will revert if I get extra information, the Halpin name is found in the Dundalk area also but in other parts of Louth too. Dunbin is just south of Dundalk and may take in part of the town, tradition would have it that marriages take place in the brids parish so if Park Street is the residence then it should be around there.

Regard for now,

Pat

Thank you Pat for looking at this for me.  I do not have any information of when Bridget came over to the US other than finding her in the 1860 census here and already married and with a 2 year old son.  She had a brother Matthew (DoB 1848) and a sister Catherine (DoB 1850).  Both of these came to the US and lived out their life here.  I have not found their parents in any US census so I don't think they ever came over.  I do have a Baptismal record for Catherine but it doesn't name the church and it's not a very good image so it's hard to read, the date for her record Feb 23 1850.  The record is from "Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915 for Catharine McCormack.

I know the cemetary that Bridget was buried in but have not found a grave stone for her, I'm waiting for the snow to disappear here so I can visit the cemetary.

Thank you again for your assistance.

Hi J 

I am going to try a little curve ball on you, Dunbin parish has good records and I started looking through the registers for Bridget from July 1838 (there is a previous register) a few things turned up, there are a few different McCormacks in it, and I see a Margaret Garstin stood for a Rose Conlon, father Peter mother Mary Breen, these people also stood for another family too, the registers are easy enough to read mostly in this parish, now the curve ball is that in the townland of Plaster (yes I checked it out, from the Irish in the parish we are searching, see https://www.townlands.ie/louth/upper-dundalk/barronstown/barronstown/pl… ) anyway there is a Bridget McCormack baptised 23rd July 1841 father Patrick but mother Mary Duffy, is it possible your Bridget is a cousin of the others. James McCormack and Kate Cunningham stood for her. I gave up reading the registers at this point, have seen Catherines entry in 1850 as said, could not see Peter on a subscription site I used but will check some more. There was no Bridget I could see born to a mother Garsten but  I will read on over the next few days.

You mention having read the registers but I enclose the link, https://registers.nli.ie/ 

You mention snow, what part of the world ahs snow in April (we had a little on Sunday last) I have answered two or three previous queries on Dunbin, think they were in Australia though.

I am reading through the registers in case a birth was missed and not on the subscription sites, to date I see  no children to mother Garsten, that is July 1838 to July 1841. There is also a father Peter McCormack in the registers so maybe that is a family name.

Regards for now

Pat

Hi J 

I was working too late last night, the date for the above Bridget is 1840 and 22nd July , James McCormack and Kate Cunningham are Godparents, just on the outside of your research but they got married later as I see a baptism where they are parents. It has since struck me that possibly Pat McCormack married twice, hence Bridget born earlier, quick remarriages were not unusual, the whole in this is of course I cannot find either marriage.Anyway looking over the records again and just wanted to correct the dates I gave above.

Pat

Hi J

lucky I have no hair or I'd be in trouble, I see Matthew and Catherine as you did, however the Patrick McCormick and Mary Duffy had a number of children, however I searched for marriages for Mary Duffy and found a marriage record for Peter McCormack to Mary Duffy not Patrick, there appear to be no death records for the parish at this time and I see no marriage for a Catherine Garsten. There are a number of children to Patrick and Mary Duffy and unless there is another Mary Duffy married a Patrick this Peter may have been know as Patrick.

I want to try another subscription site but cannot get on currently, am going to email Roger who answered your othere query to see if I can elicit some assistance, he has assisted me before so will return to this tomorrow as have to go now.

Regards
Pat

Hi Pat, I was going through my files and form a diagram from a cousin (Catherine is his ggrandmother) but he doesn't have any birth dates, locatin of birth or the parents.  The only other information on his diagram is that Catherine married Timothy Joseph O'Connor who he believes was born in Nenagh, Tipperary, but no birth date for him.  I'm not sure when they came to the US.  I'll look into it a little more on my end.

I live in upstate New York and we had some more snow during the night.  Even though spring started we haven't seen any evidence of it yet, the temp doesn't get much higher than mid-30 degrees lately, but the sun is shining so that helps.

Thanks again and have a great weekend.

Hi J 

sorry for the delay, Monday is going out night and we had good weatehr over the weekend so into the garden. I heard from Roger and while he dug up another nearby Pat McCormic (spelling) wrong spouse. Going back to the website I first sent you where there was a Patrick Garsten in Park Street, Dundalk , this is in the main Dundalk town parish and I see there are no marriage records at the time, before ok but not then, so custom dictates marriage in the brides parish then the marriage if this was the family is not available. Still leaves us with the issue of Bridgets birth record, there are 24 days missing in 1845 (https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0216) I know this is later than your date but often people were unsure of years and 10 years out is not unheard of.

The Nenagh marriage may be traceable if we knew the date but the distances for the time are so great they hardly bumped into each other around this time, Dundalk is close to 200 miles from Nenagh, so definitely did not walk her home from a dance. 

I will see if I can ccheck passenger lists but it is not something I have done often, if they lived in Dundalk area it is likely but not certain they would have left from Liverpool, England, as there were regular rund from there to Liverpool for onward passage. There are no records of travel between Ireland and England as it was internal travel at the time. It is still a free travel area.

What info did they have to enter for naturalisation if any.

While I am at it there is a closed Facebook page Louth Genealogy, with an unusual name such as Garsten or Garstin etc it might be worth a try to see if there is a relative but in my view the FB pages are only good for more recent stuff or stuff from Irish Genealogy page which is mainly post 1864.

Regards for now,

Pat

I did a little more research and went to City Hall to get a copy of the death certificate.  I have the wrong birth date and mother.  The Death Certificate has Bridget's birth date as Jan (or Jun - I can't really tell from the writing) 4, 1845 - so I was quite a few years off.  Her mother is listed as Ann Cunningham.  The birthplace is Louth, so I had that fact right, I'll make my way to the cemetary in the next week and see what information they have.  City Hall could not find a death certificate for Bridget's husband, John Halpin for the dates I have, but I have a will with his death date, so now I'm thinking he didn't die at home (in county) but in a neighboring county.

Again thank you for all your help and research.  

Best, Joanne.

Hi J see your post on the Louth enealogy FB page, in the interests of transparency I gave it a like, under my FB name of Paddy O' etc. I located records of a marraige of Pat McCormack and Anna Cunningham 1st May 1834, in registers website, no townland but looked at other Cunninghams and it appears to be Donoghomore )spelling may not be quiet correct but there are a lot of Cunninghams there at that time. There are 3 children listed, Bridget 28th February 1838, Margaret 26th February 1841 and Mary 15th June 1836, could find no more but maybe in the registers we could locate some more or maybe they left after 1841.

By the way, close to them in 1815 the Wild Goose Lodge murders took place in 1815, the Louth Genealogical website I sent you has stuff on it and Netflix made a film of it about 3 years ago, made locally and may be still available.

How does this leave your research, more trouble I guess.

Regards

Pat

You guessed it, my research is just causing trouble.  Every time I think I'm making a little headway I run into a wall.

I went to another town to get a copy of Bridget's husbands death certificate and after a little discussion about not being in the right place I convinced the "gentleman" to please look and he found him, but the information the had didn't have much more than that I already knew.  He is John Halpin, country of origin is Ireland, not town listed, and Unknown was listed for both parents. I'm going to look at some of the links you sent to see if I find a marriage date for them, I'm hoping they were married in Bridget's parish.  There was no date of birth listed either, just that he was 53 when he died in May of 1893.

Take care,

Joanne

Hi Joanne I have searched for a marriage in Ireland, UK and USA from 1854 to 1864 to no avail on two subscription sites. Now you are in Troy I think and about 2 years ago I was in contact with a lady from Troy, she did no now live there and has recently passed on, in searching if my memory is correct there was an issue with Troy records not being released for some parishes, would need to Google again to see so maybe the marriage is there somewhere, if Bridgit is in the US by 1860 she was only 22 so unlikely to have married before departure. Do any of the available census online have a question on the number of years married which can assist. 

I searched online for a Bridget McCormick and variants on the US shipping lists, between 1850 and 1860 born in 1838 plus or minus one I got 12 hits, not all going to New York, some only have transcription of name and ship etc, others youcan view the page of the mainifest, I was checking to see if Bridgit travelled with anyone in the known family, one likely one was travelling with a Mary Ann, you Mary her sister was only christened Mary as per register so maybe, ages ok. Another was travelling with a Catherine age 11 I think in 1857, another was alone but a number of Cunninghams, looked like a family were on the displayed page, all only said Ireland as place of origin, of course they could ahve arrived prior to 1850 which I have not checked but will try soon.

On my own family line I was trying for 12 years for a marriage not helped by having the wrong wifes place of origin, she had a loose relationship with her age, gave it 6 years younger on her marriage, age 5 years in the spaceof 10 and I cannot blame her for her death cert. she was 12 years out. At least you have firm birthdates.

Regards
Pat

Jeanne

should have include this site, you can see for free where Halpins were in Ireland in the 1850s and only 5 in Louth but it could be so, the site is subscription but some free looks.

https://www.johngrenham.com/surnames/

Pat

Hello Jeanne, a Christmas message, I was actually searching for an American lady who visited earlier this year and looked up a book, only available in reference library here locally, memory says printed in 1903 but not sure. I had meant to notify you, if my memory is correct the book contained a short history of the Garstin or Garston family, basically they came from Garston in Liverpool, not unheard of as there is also another family called Preston here who came from Preston.

I could look it up in the library again for you if you wish, might be awhile or could be sooner if I am in town. There are early grave inscriptions also.

Be difficult to trace to them but I always find the history interesting.

Regards
Pat