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I'm interested in finding information on the surnames of Brown (Demoan townland) and Truesdale (Carrickbrack townland) circa mid 1800's. The Truesdale family may also be in County Down.

ohkeller

Thursday 3rd May 2018, 11:36AM

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  • There are no Brown households listed in Demoan nor any Truesdales in Carrickbrack in the tithe applotment records for 1830. That doesn’t mean they didn’t live there as the tithes only listed those with land but they weren’t farmers there then.

    Griffiths Valuation for 1864 has no Browns in Demoan and no Truesdales in  Carrickbrack. Likewise in the 1901 census. (In the 1901 census there were 14 households in Demoan and 16 in Carrickbrack, so small communities).

    If your ancestors are recorded on a marriage or birth certificate in either townland, I would guess they were labourers or weavers who only lived there a comparatively short time. Weavers and labourers often held short leases (or even no lease) so they could move around to follow available work. They can be hard to trace. 

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 3rd May 2018, 12:07PM
  • These are the Brown baptisms from Ballymore from www.rootsireland.ie/; there are no Carrickbrack records there.

    Only R C baptisms are available; there were no Truesdales

    Church BaptismBrownJane1832Co. Armagh
    Church BaptismBrownMary Grace1832Co. Armagh

    Church BaptismBrewenJohn1835Co. Armagh

    Church BaptismBrownThos1836Co. Armagh
    Church BaptismBrownMary1841Co. Armagh
    Church BaptismBrownEdward1843Co. Armagh
    Church BaptismBrownMaryann1845Co. Armagh

    There are no Truesdale marriage or burial records from Ballymore and only 2 Brown marriages:

    Church MarriageBrownJohn1842Co. Armagh
    Church MarriageBrownRose1845Co. Armagh

    There are 170 Truesdale baptism records in County Down on roots. I looked at a few and all were Presbyterean

    I can look up specific names and post details if you wish

    Col

     

    ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 4th May 2018, 11:02PM
  • Elwyn - Yes, on the marriage record, the groom, John Truesdale, his father William Truesdale and the bride's father William Brown were all listed as a laborers and they are indeed difficult to pin down. Thank you for looking.

    Col - The William Brown family were Presbyterian and William's daughter Mary Brown (b. abt 1831) and John Truesdale (b. 25 March 1839) were married on 1 March 1861 in Poyntzpass Prebyterian Church, Ballymore Parish. Could you check for a birth/baptism for John Truesdale in County Down for me? John's father was William Truesdale, not positive about the family's religion. Thank you.

    ohkeller

    Saturday 5th May 2018, 12:45PM
  • The marriage record has Mary's address as Demone:

    Date of Marriage:01-Mar-1861
    Parish / District:POYNTZPASS PR
    County:ARMAGH
    Husband
    WifeName:JohnTrusdale Address Carrickbrack
    MaryBrownAddress:DemoneDenomination:Civil Parish / District
    Civil Parish / DistrictOccupation:LABOURER

    Age:Fa
    FaStatus:Bachelor (Previously unmarried)
    Spinster (Previously unmarried)

    Husband's Father
    Wife's FatherName:WilliamTrusdale
    WilliamBrownAddress:
    Occupation:LABOURER
    LABOURER

    Here's the John Truesdale record:

    Name:John TruesdaleDate of Birth:26-Jan-1839
    Date of Baptism:10-Feb-1839Address:Tollymurrey Down ParishParish/District:DownGender:
    CountyCo. Down
    Denomination:Church Of Ireland
    Father:William TruesdaleMother:Isabella

    Siblings - 2 older brothers / no sisters:

    Name:Samuel TruesdaleDate of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:20-Nov-1825Address:
    Parish/District:DownGender:
    CountyCo. Down
    Denomination:Church Of Ireland
    Father:William TruesdaleMother:Isabella

    Name:Thomas TruesdaleDate of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:10-Apr-1823Address:
    Parish/District:DownGender:
    CountyCo. Down
    Denomination:Church Of Ireland
    Father:William TruesdaleMother:Isabella

    No luck with the marraige of William & Isabella so couldn't go back any further.

    Col

    ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 6th May 2018, 04:24AM
  • Thank you Col. Could you tell me where you found the baptism record so I can go look for it too?

    ohkeller

    Monday 7th May 2018, 11:14AM
  • Irish Family History Foundation (subscription site) www.rootsireland.ie/

    Col

    ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 8th May 2018, 04:40AM

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