O'Callaghan/Reid

Hi Debbie,

There are 56 Thomas O'Callaghan (+surname variants) baptism records from Dublin 1776 to 1898 on www.rootsireland.ie/; do you have a year of birth for him?

Similarly, there are 7 Mary Ann Reid baptisms Dublin 1777 to 1896

The marriage isn't on roots or Irishgenealogy.ie/ I'm afraid

Col

Hello Debbie,

I found the church marriage transcription for Thomas Callaghan and Mary Ann “Read” at the Find My Past (FMP) website. The transcription shows the couple were married in St. Mary’s Pro Cathedral, Dublin (City) on 1 December 1866. At the time of the marriage Thomas and Mary Ann were living in 2 Coles Lane. The transcription also gives the names of the parents of the bride and groom, but unfortunately, not the maiden names for their mothers. Thomas’s parents are John and Mary Callaghan. Mary’s parents are Richard and Elizabeth Read.

Attached to the FMP marriage transcription is a link to a copy of the original marriage record for Thomas and Mary Ann in the St. Mary’s Pro Cathedral registers. These registers are held by the National Library of Ireland (NLI). I haven’t included the FMP transcription in this reply as the transcriptions are under copyright, but I have included the link to the NLI of Ireland where you can view a copy of the original marriage. This link is: https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633779#page/119/mode/1up

You’ll see two facing pages to the register. The marriages in the register span both pages. The marriage for Thomas and Mary Ann is the 2nd entry down from the top of the page, Line 299. You can enlarge the page by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

The headings on the marriage register are in Latin, as are the first names of the marriage party. The marriage register shows that the parents of Thomas and Mary Ann had also been living in 2 Coles Lane. On the right-hand page of the register you’ll see the name of the priest who married Thomas and Mary Ann. He was Nicholas O’Farrell. To the right of the priest’s name are the names of the witnesses to the marriage. One of the witnesses was Samuel Burden, who resided in an address 38 Granville St. The name of the second witness is Catherine Fox, who lived in 2 Coles Lane.

You can also view the marriage record in full at the irishgenealogy.ie website link at: https://is.gd/HvyBjX

To see what church records are available online at the irishgenealogy.ie website, go to: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/church-records/about/what-church-recor…

A Google Map shows that Coles Lane is in West Dublin. It is situated just east of the Phoenix Park. See the map at: https://is.gd/1foPbL

I’m not sure how accurate the Google Map is as I couldn’t find a Google Street View for Coles Lane.

Another Google Map shows that St. Mary’s Pro Cathedral on Marlborough Street, by the shortest distance, is only 1.9 miles southeast of Coles Lane. See the map at: https://is.gd/yLzfX1

St. Mary’s Pro Cathedral has its own website which you can access at: http://www.procathedral.ie/

For a Google Street View of St. Mary’s Pro Cathedral, see: https://is.gd/pxnK7Z

Along with a church marriage record there will be a civil marriage record for Thomas Callaghan and Mary Ann Reid/Read.

IRELAND CIVIL REGISTRATION RECORDS

The government in Ireland commenced with civil registration of Protestant church and civil marriages on 1 April 1845. Catholic marriages were not recorded by the government at the request of the Catholic Church, as the Catholic hierarchy in Ireland did not want the Anglican government to have lists of its parishioners at that time.

Civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denomination in Ireland began on 1 January 1864. This means that any births, marriages, and deaths after 1863, would ostensibly have been recorded by local county registrars in their respective Civil Registration Districts. However, because civil registration for all religious denominations was new, not all births, marriages, and deaths were recorded in 1864. Even after 1864 there were births, marriages, and deaths that were not recorded, probably because they were not reported to the local registrar.

Today, the irishgenealogy.ie website has digitized, and placed online for free, copies of original civil birth records from 1864 to 1916. Copies of original marriages are online for the years 1870 to 1941. Copies of original death records are available for the years 1878 to 1966. The irihsgenealogy.ie website plans to make available online, copies of original marriage records back to 1845, and death records back to 1864. At present there are indexes of marriages from 1845 to 1869, and death indexes from 1864 to 1877. But these indexes do not give a lot of information. For example, marriage indexes include the name of one of the partners, the year of the marriage, the Superintendent Registration District where the marriage was recorded, and the volume and page number where the marriage can be found in the marriage register. Today, birth, marriage, and death registers are held by the General Register Office (GRO), with locations in Dublin and Roscommon Town, County Roscommon.

Below you’ll see the individual marriage index for Thomas Callaghan. His marriage was recorded in the Dublin North Registration District in 1866:

Name THOMAS CALLAGHAN
Date of Event 1866
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Dublin North
Returns Year 1866
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 17
Returns Page No 613

Source Information: irishgenealogy.ie
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Below is the civil registration marriage index for Mary Anne Read:

Name MARY ANNE READ
Date of Event 1866
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Dublin North
Returns Year 1866
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 17
Returns Page No 613

Source Information: irishgenealogy.ie
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You can order the full marriage record for Thomas and Mary Ann from the aforementioned General Register Office (GRO). If you’d like to purchase a marriage record for Thomas Callaghan and Mary Anne Read from the GRO, go to the following website for instructions on how to do so: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-cop…

You can purchase a photocopy of the marriage record for €4 (Euros), payable by credit card. The photocopy cannot be used for legal purposes, such as applying for Irish citizenship.

The civil marriage record for Thomas and Mary Ann will contain much of the same information as the church marriage record, with the addition that it will tell you the occupation of the groom, and the occupation of the bride, if she had one at the time of marriage. The civil marriage record will also give you the names and occupations of the fathers, but will not provide the first or maiden names of the mothers of the groom and bride, which is very unfortunate for genealogists and family historians.

THOMAS O’CALLAGHAN/CALLAGHAN

I looked for Thomas’s baptism record at the FMP as well as at the irishgenealogy.ie websites but didn’t find it. The search involved looking for the baptism of a child named Thomas O’Callaghan/Callaghan and variants, whose father was John and whose mother was Mary. I looked for his baptism in Dublin between the years 1830 and 1850. There is the possibility that Thomas was not born in Dublin, or that if he had been born in Dublin, that his baptism record no longer exists. No knowing his mother’s maiden name also inhibits the search for a baptism record for him.

MARY ANN REID/READ

I looked for the baptism of Mary Ann Reid/Read at the FMP and irishgenealogy.ie websites. I looked for a baptism record for Mary whose parents were Richard and Elizabeth, but did not uncover a baptism record for her in Dublin. It’s possible that Mary was not born in Dublin, or that her baptism record no longer exists. It’s also possible I missed finding a baptism record for her, but without her mother’s maiden name, the challenge of finding her baptism record makes the search more difficult.

GRIFFITHS VALUATION

The next search involved seeing if any people named O’Callaghan/Callaghan and Read/Reid had been recorded in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Cole’s Lane, Dublin City was completed by the year 1854.

Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who leased property. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman for the owner. This person was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

In cities such as Dublin, resident properties had street numbers. I found Cole’s Lane, Parish of St. Mary, Dublin City, in Griffiths Valuation. The house at 2 Cole’s Lane was leased by John J. Clarke. He is also listed as the Immediate Lessor of the property, which means he either owned the house at 2 Cole’s Lane, or was the middleman for the owner. Griffiths Valuation also shows that “lodgers” had been living in the house at 2 Cole’s Lane. It’s possible that two of the families who were lodgers were the O’Callaghans and the Reads, but that is only a guess. See the Griffiths Valuation transcription below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 2
Local Number: 2
Civil Parish: St. Mary
Street: Cole’s Lane
Occupier: John J. Clarke (lodgers)
Immediate Lessor: John J. Clarke
Description of Tenement: House and small yard
Area of Land: - Acres, - Roods, - Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 13 Pounds
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 13 Pounds

Source Information: Ask About Ireland. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
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Best Wishes Debbie,

Dave Boylan

Thank you both for your replies! Thomas O'Callaghan's birth year is 1848 Dublin, Dublin. Mary Ann Reid's birthday is 9 Oct 1845 Dublin, Dublin. I have 2 parents names for them both. O'Callaghan parents are either Thomas and Anne Igoe O'Callaghan or John and Mary Callaghan as listed on marriage record. Mary Reid's parents are either Richard and Mary Crawford Reid or Richard and Elizabeth Reid. I have gotten these names from other family members on Ancestry. I have also found some of the info for other family members to be incorrect! Their first child, John J. was born in June of 1868 in New York, New York. On the US census from 1880 their immigration was listed as 1868 but in the 1900 US census it was listed as 1865, Thank you Dave for all your info, I'm still processing! Colcaff, I hope I've given you some useful information! I was in Ireland in July 2013 and enjoyed some unseasonably warm weather then. When I get this family sorted out I'll be back!! Please let me know if I can help in any other way.

Thank you both again for your time.

Debie

Hi Debie & Dave

Great work Dave! Your search suggests that John & Mary may be Thomas's parents but I couldn't find a baptism in Dublin. There are 13 with theses parents from other counties 1840 + - 10 years; I also tried Thomas & Ann parents with similar results 

Possible baptism for Mary - do you know whether they were protestant or R C?

Name:Mary ReadDate of Birth:18-Mar-1845
Date of Baptism:25-Apr-1845Address:Merrion AveParish/District:BOOTERSTOWNGender:FemaleCountyCo. Dublin
Denomination:Church of Ireland
Father:Richard ReadMother:Elizabeth Not RecordedOccupation:Merchant

No baptism for mother Mary Crawford

Do you know the names of Thomas & Mary Ann's children? IF they used the Irish naming pattern it might give some clues as to which parents are theirs

Col
 

Children..
John J. 1868-1940
Mary Theresa 1871-1920
Richard Charles 1875-1941
Mary Ann 1877-1962 my great grandmother
Nellie 1879-1959
All but John born in Evanston Illinois
John born in New York, New York
Thanks again you are awesome!

Many thanks Debbie and Col.

I couldn’t find any additional information about the baptisms of Thomas O’Callaghan and Mary Ann Reid. Going by the information that Thomas and Mary Ann were married in St. Mary Pro Cathedral on Marlborough Street in Dublin, I thought that I would at least check for the possibility that Mary Ann had been baptized in St. Mary’s Pro Cathedral, with the understanding that marriages traditionally took place in the bride’s parish. If Mary Ann had been born on 9 October 1845, I figured she would have been baptized within a week or two of her birth, as Catholics baptized their children as soon as possible. Though not officially Catholic doctrine, many Catholics, including theologians, held that if a child died and was not baptized before death, the child would not go to heaven or hell but to a place called “Limbo.” The 19th and early 20th centuries were times of high mortality for children, thus the need to baptize them as quickly as possible. For more information about limbo see the reuters.com article at: https://is.gd/tUTgad

I accessed the baptism records for the St. Mary Pro Cathedral (also known as St. Mary’s Dublin City) at the National Library of Ireland website for October, November, and December of 1845, but did not uncover a baptism record for Mary Ann Reid/Read. It’s possible she had been baptized in another Dublin Catholic Church parish. The Catholic parish registers for many of the old Catholic Churches in Dublin City still survive back to the 18th century and are held by the National Library of Ireland. No Catholic registers from the 32 counties had been destroyed in the Four Courts Fire during the Irish Civil War in 1922, as is sometimes reported. Catholic, Presbyterian, and Methodist baptism, marriage, and burial records were not housed at the Four Courts at the time of the fire, and therefore were not destroyed. The fire however did destroy many Church of Ireland parish registers. See:
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-records-burned.html

Debbie and Col, if you uncover any further information about the O’Callaghan and Reid families I would very much appreciate an update.

Thank you both again for your kindness, and Best Wishes.

Dave

I have found more info! My 3x g-grandfather was also Thomas, born 11 Mar 1823 Rathfarnum, Dublin. He died Dec 1887 location unknown. He married Anne Igoe who was born in Kilkenny County in 1828. Marrige info unknown. Their children were Harriet Kate 1846-1926, Thomas 1848-1904, my 2x grandfather, James 1850-1888, Maurice 1851-?, Mary 1852-?.

On one family tree, Luke is shown as 4x grandfather. He was born about 1795 County Dublin and died about 1842, County Dublin. A baptismal record from St. Michael and John's listed his name as John so unsure if this is correct. He married Elizabeth Divine 17 Mar 1831 Rathfarnum Parish. The children are Thomas 11 Mar 1823, my 3x grandfather, James  1812-? born in County Dublin. Luke is listed as a provision dealer in 1835 Dublin Almanac.

On the same family tree, Thomas, 5x grandfather is Luke's father. Born 1765, location unknown, and died 1 May 1872 Balrothery, Dublin, Thomas married Hannah Stoney who was born in 1765, Dublin. In addtion to Luke they also had a son Richard, baptised 3 April 1791. The sponsorers were Richard Callaghan and Ann O'Neil. Richard is listed as a carpenter, grocer and provisions dealer on Rathfarnum Bridge. He married 8 Feb 1784 in St. Michan's Dublin and died 1842.

I have also found O'Callaghan and Co. bakers and confectioners 55 Grafton St in the 1876 Thom's Official Directory. In the 1882 Directory it appears they added a location at 37 Aungier St. I am wondering if this is the family I am looking for? My 2x grandfather was listed in US Census as a confectioner. Thanks in advance for any info!!