Greetings from New Zealand.
I'm seeking clarification of the spelling and locations of Ballyslough and Ballyclough. Daniel Lorigan, born circa 1790, is my husband's great great great grandfather. His father may have been Patrick. Daniel married Jane Walsh and they emigrated to New Zealand in 1842 with 9 surviving children. Their children are in order Patrick, John, Catherine, Laurence, William, Bartholomew, Mary, Margaret, Daniel Jnr and Jane. Jane was born in 1835 but died in 1840 before they left Ireland. I have good details about the family once they arrived here.
When Daniel senior died in 1853 after a fall from a horse he was reported in a newspaper as being late of Ballyslough, County Limerick. However when I google Ballyslough it appears to be near Waterford. Not Limerick. I've seen suggestions in the family trees of other family members that Daniel was born in Caherconlish and that he married Jane at Ballybricken. And also that son Bartholomew (GG father) was born in a place called Knockroe/Knockrow circa 1826. All of these seem to place the family in County Limerick. But I have no evidence.
I am wondering if Ballyslough should read Ballyclough/Ballyclogh. There seems to be multiple of them in Ireland just as there seems to multiple places named Knockroe/Knockrow. It's not uncommon here in New Zealand for places to have the same names. Wai means water. Nui means big or great. So those feature a lot in place names and I'm assuming it is similar in Ireland.
I would be very keen to pin down where the family hails from as we re visiting Ireland next month. I have looked through the records available on the irish genealogy site with no joy and they left the Emerald Isle before the available censuses.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Carol
Cowgirl
Thursday 18th Jul 2019, 02:18AMMessage Board Replies
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Hello Miriam. I assume you are the same Miriam that has helped me so much over on the County Cork message board in my search for Jeremiah Crowley?
Really truly appreciate your efforts and these links. Thanks so much !
I didn't want to take my husband and sister in law to Caherconlish in August and then come back home and find we had been in entirely the wrong County.
Thanks again. I may well pop up in County Clare next :-) researching Hallorans, sometimes with the O
Kind regards
Carol
Cowgirl
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Hi Miriam
Here's what I have so far on the Hallorans. Around February 1866 Michael Halloran married Mary McInerney in a place that looks like Clonnagoun, Tulla? Michael's father is recorded as Patrick on the register. Mary was born around 1835 and her father is James. As best as I can tell James was born around 1806 and his wife was a Margaret Sullivan. Any confirmation or additions you can find would be welcome.
Michael and Mary had 4 sons : Martin, Patrick, Michael and John (Jack). Jack was born in 1874 and is my husband's grandfather. In 1875 when Jack was just a baby the whole family emigrated NZ on a ship called the Howrah and had 3 more children, Thomas, Daniel and finally a daughter, Mary, who died aged 14. The Howrah made 3 voyages to NZ and the Hallorans came on the 2nd trip.
Michael was recorded as being 43 when he emigrated suggesting an approx 1832 birth, however his death certificate when he died in 1900 records him as being 79 at the time suggesting being born in 1820. Mary had already died so maybe nobody was sure of dates and ages. All the paperwork refers to them as Hallorans however Jack picked up the O (of) again and their headstones all have them as O'Hallorans. I understand it is not uncommon to lose and regain the O. Sadly Jack was the only one of all those sons to marry. And he married my Jeremiah Crowley's eldest daughter Nora. And their only child was a daughter, Mary. My mother in law. And so that line of O'Hallorans has come to an end.
Jack was born in Sraheen. I have found it on a map, not far from Ennis, on a road that has a place called Cree and another called Crowhill and Norrie Henchys Bar on the corner. I noticed there is an O'Hallorans Welding & Engineering business there so I cheekily emailed them to see if it's more than coincidence but have yet to have a reply. I'm pretty happy with how far I've got with this side but I'd love to be able to add Michael's mother and any siblings plus some more McInerney's that may have remained in County Clare.
As always grateful for your help and guidance Miriam. Sorry for the long post. Do I need to post on the Clare message board?
Cheers
Carol
Cowgirl
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Hi Cowgirl:
Thanks for your post. I might change your most recent post to County Clare for clarity purposes. I can assist you with that as I am a volunteer with the Tulla Reaching Out committee here in Clare and Sraheen is in the parish of Clooney which is a neighbouring parish to Tulla. The townland of Clounagowan is very close to the parish of Crusheen (Inchicronan) but I see from the civil records that their marriage took place in Clooney. I have attached the record below for you (which you might already have).
I also see that the baptism records for some of the children are on the Clooney parish register, so this would have been their home parish, even though they lived closer to Inchicronan.
If you go into the Clare Library website, you can go into the Clooney parish records through this link which will give you other resources:
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/cloney.htm
You will also note that the parish registers have been voluntarily transcribed and are available to download. There are other children born to this couple which you will see.
In addition as Mary McInerney married in Clooney church, her family was most likely from there and her father, James was noted as a farmer. The Clooney/Quin parish registers go back to 1816 for baptisms, so you should be able to go back a further generation (at least)..
If you are visiting Clare, please let me know and I'm happy to meet you as I'm close to Clooney parish. You can email me directly at: jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com
I would highly recommend a trip to the Local Studies Centre in Ennis where the two librarians and historians, Peter and Brian will be able to assist you.
Kind regards,
Jane
Jane Halloran Ryan
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Thanks so much to both of you. I have edited and reposted on the Clare Message board. I intend to study the parish registers and join the Clare Library genealogy forum as you suggested and will be in touch via email later on a bit thanks Jane. We'll be in the area late August.
Thanks again
Carol
Cowgirl
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Hi Cowgirl:
Can you contact me directly? My email address is: jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com
I have some information for you.
Kind regards,
Jane
Jane Halloran Ryan
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Greetings from New Zealand
Just a quick update on our visit to Ireland. Thank you so much Jane for introducing us to Ireland Reaching Out volunteer John Kennedy. John went above and beyond ensuring we saw many of the places the Lorigan family would have frequented when they lived near Caherconlish. Thanks also to Patrick Hourigan, a local historian who provided some new info. John kindly offered to be our chaffeur for the day and the outing was completed in Mollys Bar drinking with local dairy farmers. Special memories which we willl treasue always. Hopefully I have attached a photo of the headstone of the parish priest who married my husband's great great great grandparents Daniel and Jane (nee Walsh) Lorigan.
Go raibh maith agat
Carol
Cowgirl
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Hello Miriam. I'm hoping that you can crack the mystery for me which even an Ancestry.com genealogist has failed to do. my 4x ggf William Wallace born abt 1820 had an illegitimate child with Helen O'Sullivan born abt 1820 too. The child Thomas Wallace, was born Dec 1840 in Bulgaden, County Limerick (?) and Thomas married Bridget McCarthy in 9/11/1866 in Martinstown, Limerick. The McCarthys migrated with Thomas and Bridget abt 1870. My problem is I cannot find any info on either William or Helen. Helen is on both the baptismal and marriage certs for son Thomas. I found one reference of aWilliam and Helen marrying in 1858 and having a child William in the 1860's but I think they are too old to be them. Helen O'Sullivan and William Wallace are my problem. I did find in 1890 US Census a Hannah O'Sullivan living with John McCarthy and family and her age lines up with a dob in 1820. Could this be her? I don't know if Thomas had any siblings of if his parents married someone else. This a is very long...sorry.
Judith WallaceJudith Wallace
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Dear Judith:
Many thanks for your post to the Ireland Reaching Out message board and welcome.
If you would create a new message board post about your query, that would be great as the post that you have created is buried within another thread.
We have a number of Limerick volunteers who will be happy to assist you with your query and it can be created through this link: https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board
If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me directly at: jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com
Kind regards,
Jane
Jane Halloran Ryan
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Hi Judith:
For ease of reference, here is the link to the message board.
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board
Our aim is to assist all our diaspora with volunteers in the local area who often have the local knowledge and expertise needed to reply to the message board queries that are posted.
We have a great group of Limerick volunteers who will be happy to assist you with your query. If you have any questions or need any assistance, please let me know.
Kind regards,
Jane
Jane Halloran Ryan