mary lynch

Patjones134

Where did John Henry Cruice come from or have you anything on him.

hello ballypierce. john henry cruice was born in 1828 in ballanisloe co galway. his father was john and his mother was matilda.i cant find any records about matilda except fo wheb she was bankrupt in the 1850s. john died in canada in 1850. john henry ended up in liverpool. he had mary lynch at his home on one of thecensuses but that is all i know off her except it says that she was his cousin. that made me think that matilda could be a lynch but cant find anything asbout her birth.        pat

Patjones134

Cruice has being spelt 4 different ways I have seen the same family spelt Cruice Cruise Crews Cruz. Also my wife's family name is Cruise & would have come from an area 15 miles radius of Birr.Hope it will be usefull for you.I will get back to you When I check my records. as we have a John I think ended upin Canada.

Patjones134

The John I have was born Kings county 1799 & died in 15th. January 1880 in Victoria in Canada. The spelling of his Name was Cruess even that his father was spelt Cruise. He John had a brother that went to England,

hallo ballypierce, thank you for getting back to me. i dont know when my john was born but he died in canada in 1850.       pat

John Joseph Cruice was eldest son and heir of Peter Cruice of Springlawn and Helen Burke. He married Matilda Lynch  third daughter of James Lynch of Raglass or Rathglass Co Galway ,  The marriage settlement was 22 March 1810. Trustees in the marriage settlement were John Burke of  Grovesview or Grouseview and Owen Lynch of Woodpark  Co Roscommon. John died 3rd November 1850 Montreal Canada and was buried in the Basilique Notre-Dame.

Jan

hello jan thank you very much for the information about matilda. i thought thaty she may have been a lynch because she called one of her sons eyre lynch but couldnt find any information about her.  i didnt know that john was john joseph so it is all very good.       thank you pat

Hello Pat. We must be distantly related. You say that John Henry Cruice was your great grandfather. Are you able to let me know which of his children was your grandmother or grandfather. 

cheers Jan

hello jan, my grandfather was arthur patrick cruice. he was born 30/5/1879 in liverpool.  he was the son of john henry cruice. and alice hayes.   hope that that helps. im so pleased to know somebody who knows about my family.      pat

Hi Pat

Thanks. I have your grandfather on my tree of the Cruices. I'm compiling the tree in the hope that  I can find the parents of my ancestors William and Maria Cruice who lived at Cruice Lawn near Castleblakeney Co Galway in Ireland. They seem to have been cousins.

Gerdie Cruice, the last Cruice living at Cruice Lawn said in an interview that the lease to Cruice Lawn (then  named Gallagh) was bought for William by the Cruice family of Springlawn, the family from which you descend.. I've managed to find quite a number of the wider family who lived at Summerhill in Galway, and elsewhere, but the only son of the Springlawn family that I've found was John Joseph Cruice, although he possibly had an unmarried sister named Frances.   

Lately I've been doing research in the Registry of Deeds via Family Search online. The images are there and that is how I found some of the info.  Marriage contracts were sometimes registered when they land was part of the deal. 

John Joseph Cruice's father - Peter Cruice of  Summerhill and Springlawn was married twice, the first time to Helen Burke who I think was a member of the Glinsk family. She seems to have died before June 1800. When Peter died on 1 August 1806 at age 49 his wife was Eliza Donelan. He is buried in St Mary's Cemetery Mount Bellew. 

Peter was the oldest son of John Cruice of Summerhill and Catherine Kelly of Kellysgrove Co Galway. Some of the Cruices were in the Irish Brigades in the French Army in the 1700s. Several left France during The Revolution.  The Brigades reformed as part of the British Army in 1794. Several Cruices from the Summerhill family then joined Walsh's  Brigade and fought for the British.

Jan

hello jan thank you for the information. i was going to askwhere you found the marriage details of john and matilda. i will look at family search. im very grateful for your help.     pat

Hi Pat

This is the reference to the pages in the Register Book 627 pages 505-506, Memorial No. 434184,  film 008081206.

One way to find it - Go to Family Search: Search: Catalog: Keywords [enter Ireland Deeds] :Transcripts of memorials of deeds, conveyances and wills 1708-1929: scroll down to  Deeds etc v. 627-628 and click on the camera icon, then find the pages. The handwriting is not the best. You need to sign in.

One thing that is puzzling, John and  Matilda married in 1810 but the first birth that I have found was cir 1819.  I have four sons and three daughters on my tree. Two unnamed daughters might have come first.  

Jan

hello jan, thank you for your email. my neighbour who i used to do family tree with has said the same thing in an email. i only have helena, john henry, eyre who she now thinks could be peter lynch and olivia clarinda.please could you let me know the namesof the other children that you have found. did you know that helena sailed toaustralia in 1849.      pat

Hi Pat

For John and Matilda's children I have two unnamed girls who possibly were born first. Then boys  Richard William Cruice b. cir 1820, bapt.27 March 1822 St Andrew Dublin, died 1882 in Ottawa  Canada. Peter Lynch Cruice b.cir 1820 Ireland, John Henry (your g grandfather) Eyre Lynch Cruice bapt 2 April 1829 Ballinasloe. Last is Olivia Clarinda Cruice born cir 1832. I have wives and families. I will try to post a tree as an attachment.

Eyre Lynch was at Rathglass in 1837. I suppose he was Matilda's brother.

Interesting about Helena. That might be the Helen Cruise spinster who lived in Dublin that John Joseph Cruice borrowed money from in the form of a mortgage on Briarfield. Where does she fit in? I couldn't find any more about her except unclaimed letters in Australia.

I'm also trying to track my problem by using autosomal DNA. 

Jan

hello jan thank you for your email. at least i can now start to build a tree of the cruices. have you had your dna done. i have. helena cruice was john henrys sister.she is the first daughter that i have. it would be good to find who the other sisters were. are you from william cruice and mary skerrett.     lovely to hear from you.     pat

Thanks Pat 

I realised after my last post that it was Frances Cruise who held the mortgage on Briarfield not Helen. Sorry for the mistake. Frances went to Australia between 1843 and 1853 and was living in Melbourne but after that there is no sign of her. 

I did my DNA with FamilyTreeDNA and transferred data to MyHeritage. You must have found my tree.  What company did you test with?

The problem that I have is that William Cruice seems to have married twice and the first wife, Maria Cruice has been forgotten. She would be the mother of the children.

In DNA I'm a fan for using the x chromosome as a tool. I match with another distant relative on the X chromosome and by using her tree and my tree it seems that we are probably matching on the X through William's wife. The common ancestor would be Maria's mother or her paternal grandmother.

Maria H Cruice wife of William Cruice is buried next to or with Peter Cruice of Springlawn at Mount Bellew, so either she or William would  be from the same family as you, but probably from Peter's second wife Eliza Donelan.   Jan

hello jan thank you for youremail. i did my dna with ancestry. i use them quite a lot together with find my past. i stopped using my heritage because they didnt seem to have many records. i havent seen your family tree   williams wife was mary skerrett. i think that she had a brother edward .you probably have these details. william married mary o 12/2/1827. i know about 2 sons that they had. one waspeter joseph born 1831 and the other was daniel william, born 1834. i dont know about any others. do you live in ireland.        pat

I puzzled about William's wife, Mary. My family didn't know her identity but after seeing a record on findmypast.ie I found he was married to Mary Skerrett. I did a lot of research on the Skerretts but always in the back of my mind was the possiblity that he had married earlier to Maria Cruice, and now, since more and more information is online, I have found several records that seem to confirm that he did. 

Maybe we could continue the conversation by email.  Here is an address,  f.janbarnes@gmail.com

Jan

Jan and Pat 

I'd like to invite you to join the East Galway genealogy group https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastgalwaygenealogy

The Cruice family came into Gallagh in the 1830s I believe 

The O'Kellys had moved to Tycooley after being dispossessed of thsoe lands in the 17th century 

on gedmatch we also have an East Galway Ancestor which will help identify further connections 

Martin