Henry and Catherine nee Whelan Graham (Prussia Street, East Arran Street, Cook Street) 1890s

Don:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Not sure what info you have already. Henry had an older brother Thomas born in 1869. Possibly Henry Allen was a brother to Lucia and Louisa was either a sister ot sister in law.

Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. AUDOEN

Baptism of THOMAS GULIELMUS GRAHAM of 41 COOK ST on 26 February 1869

NameTHOMAS GULIELMUS GRAHAMDate of Birth17 February 1869Address41 COOK STFatherTHOMAS GRAHAMMotherLUCIA ALLEN

Sponsor 1HENRICUS ALLENSponsor 2LOUISA ALLEN

This may be the death record for Thomas in 1895 (eighth record) note occupation  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05916/4679496.pdf

Found Lucy in the 1901 census    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Lower_Camden_Street_W__Side/1307032/

Found a 1920 death record for Lucy. Her niece Louisa Allen was the informant  Eighth record.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05124/4410185.pdf

Let me know if you have any questions.

Roger McDonnell

Thanks very much, Roger.  I appreciate  this information, some of it new and some I already had.

The death certificate for Thomas Graham is definnitely my ancestor....he shows up on his marriage cert as a trunk maker, and his death cert also lists that occupation.  I read somewhere that Cook Street was known for undertakers and I'm wondering if trunk making was related to that (coffins?).

I knew Henry had a brother also named Thomas but didn't have the birth details you provided.  Thanks for that.  Did you find that info at St. Audeon's, or where?  I also had found Lucy Graham's census info and from the names there was able to find her grave site at Glasnevin.  She is buried there along with her brother a nieces/nephews....don't know where her husband Thomas Grahm is buried.  

Any suggesetions about finding their descendants who stayed in Ireland, if any did?

Thanks again, really appreciate the work you do.
Don

One more question, Roger.  Any suggestions about how I can find Thomas Graham's burial place?   Thanks, Don

Don:

Yes, Thomas was baptized at St. Audeon's. Found the record on the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie   Church TAB but he should also be included with the Civil Records.

Finding any descendants will be difficult. Graham and Allen are fairly common surnames. Did the 1869 Thomas marry and have children? There was a Henry Allen who was a sponsor  at Thomas' baptism. Likely brother to the Thomas who died in 1895. Did this Henry marry and have children?  Unfortunately, we do not have access to church records beyond 1900.  Civil records are available on www.irishgenealogy.ie   Births 1864-1919 Marriages 1864-1944 Deaths 1878-1969  I believe your family were in the Dublin North registration district. The 1926 census will be helpful but despite pressure from the genealogy community, current law prevents release of the records until 2026.

I have a contact in Dublin. I will ask him if he has a suggestion on where Thomas might be buried.

Roger 

Don:

I corresponded with Shane Wilson one of our volunteers who is an expert on Dublin. Here is his website FYI   https://www.swilson.info/

Below is the information from Shane.

Roger

"Most city burials in the late 1800s would have taken place in Glasnevin, unless the family had burials rights for one of the older graveyards somewhere else.. which I think is unlikely given the timeframe. Dublin city library (Pearse St.) has a database of graveyards & Cemeteries in the city and county, including dates of operation and where details of any records.
 

For Thomas I would starting by double checking Glasnevin records - purchase the extended record(s) for other family members for this full listings, and also contact them for assistance an email address is included on their website. For various reasons some burials are more difficult to locate on their online system, and the experts at Glasnevin Trust may be able to locate these.
 

Two additional options - the IGP (Irish Genealogy Projects) system includes transcripts of many headstones - including Glasnevin, Dean's Grange and Mount Jerome - this is a work in progress and based on reading memorials - so not the same as a full burial list. The other option is to check if there might be a newspaper death notice - many people placed these (they had to be paid for) and these often include church and burial information.  I find IrishNewsArchives the best system to use for these searches, Freeman's Journal and the Evening Herald are on the system were both publishing in 1895. I find it best to browse by date rather than search - as the death notices are often at the edge of the pages and may not scan or convert to text accurately. There are also newspapers on FindMyPast, but I find the searching much less flexible...
 

On the occupation / trade / address question - there definiely seems to be an overlap between Cabinet Makers and Coffin making/undertakers, I presume much of the carpentry methods would have been the same regarding joints etc. In Thom's 1868 the listing for Cook street includes a Funeral establishment, a carpenter/undertaker/coach & hearse proprietor, several undertakers & coach proprietors, along with the usual array of Grocers, dairies & tenements.  No. 41 is shown as Thos. Graham undertaker.
 

I dont see any mention of Thomas Graham as principle occupant at 10 Arran Street East in Thom's 1872 - the building is listed as Thomas Allen, saw maker & repairer, and artists warehouse. The trades index shows him at Cook street... maybe a recent move ?"