MCSHANE

Kathy,

I had a look in the tithe applotment records for Tamlaght O’Crilly parish in 1833. There are no McShane farms in Killymuck:

http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/derry/tithe-applotments/tamlaght-o-crilly-parish.php

So what that tells us is that the Patrick living there in 1831 was not a farmer. He was most probably an agricultural labourer or some other trade without any significant quantity of land. That seems to be confirmed by Griffiths Valuation (1859) which lists a Patrick McShane in a labourers cottage (plot 23c) on a farm in Killymuck Glebe. (That farm today is up a lane at the junction of the Dunglady and Ampertaine Roads.).

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

The Valuation revision records show Patrick remaining as tenant of that cottage till 1877 when he is replaced by someone else, suggesting either he had died or moved on by that year. There is a death registered in Ballymomey on 17.11.1873 for a man aged 55. Perhaps that’s him? You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

You ask whether someone living in KIllymuck would be buried in Crossmaglen in Co Armagh, or whether someone living in the oen place would work in the other. The short answer is no. That’s about 80 miles away. If Patrick lived all his life in Tamlaght O’Crilly, he’ll be buried there. And if he was a labourer, he is most unlikely to have a gravestone. Most labourers couldn’t afford one. The only exception is where wealthier relatives eg in the USA paid for one to be erected. But most labourers in Ireland in the mid 1800s were buried without a gravestone.

Now having said that, I looked at the civil marriage certificate for Nancy McShane’s marriage to Edward McCann in 1874 in Bellaghy chapel. It shows that she was living in Tamniaran, near Castledawson.  That’s in the parish of Ballyscullion and some distance from Killymuck. I also notice her father was described there as a farmer. Are you sure the Killymuck Patrick is the same one as Nancy’s father? (Patrick McShane is a common enough name in the area. I can see 9 people of that name who died around Castledawson between 1864 and 1890).

How do you know that the lady in Tamniaran in 1874 is the daughter of Patrick from Killymuck?

I found a likely brother to Margaret & Nancy. Charles McShane of Killymuck married Mary Crilly in 1875. Again I see his father Patrick McShane described as a farmer. So perhaps his circumstances had changed over the years (though I don’t see him listed as having any land in Killymuck in the land records. However possibly he worked Francis;s farm. I see Francis had just under 9 acres on plot 2).

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11192/8101466.pdf

Also, John McShane, farmer of Killymuck, and son of Francis McShane married Jane Bradley on 4.4.1872 in Killelagh Church of Ireland:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

Elwyn,   Thank you so much for your informative response.  My information comes two DNA matches Rose and her son Kevin O'Kane. The only connection we share are the McShanes. According to Kevin his knowledge is based on informed speculation , local knowledge, and oral family testimony. His 3x grand-mother Margaret McShane was born in 1840 probaly in the townland of Killymuck, near Upperlands in Derry. She married Patrick McGuckin in the local Catholic Church in Kilrea, on November 8th,1857. The only name that appears on their church record is that of her father ,Patrick McShane.There are no cilvil records from that time. The address of both parties is listed as Ligorgan, which is a neighboring townland of Killymuck. Kevin believes both families were actually from Killymuck . Griffith's vaulation for 1858 shows only 17 families in the Lisgorgan townland and none of them McShane or McGuckin. However just a few fields away in Killymuck there is a tenant, Michael McGuckin and a  Francis McShane listed also. Also Patrick and Margaret's first 3 children were born in Killymuck and they lived on Patrick McShane's farm for the first few years of their marriage. An elderly relative of Kevin said the the farm was called White hill. They later moved to Tirnony up the road in Maghera.

In the 1831 census for Killymuck you will see a Patrick McShane inhabiting a house with two other males and three females. 

Patrick McShane had another daughter Ann (NANCY) who moved from the family home to Tamniaran, Castledawson which is about 10 miles from the home place. She married Edward McCann in Bellaghy on November 15th, 1874.

My Brooklyn New York McShanes were John McShane b. 1818 Ireland,married to Elizabeth Doyle, Andrew McShane b. 1813 Ireland,married to Bridget. My great- grandfather was Anthony McShane born in Brooklyn in 1840. These are the McShanes I am trying to connect back to Ireland hopefully to Patrick McShane.                        

Many thanks for you interest and help.

Whew! This is hard work! Many thanks for your interest.

Kathy Hogan Didden

Hi I'm from tirnoney just a mile from the house the mcshane's lived in until about 60 years ago.  There is a pat mcshane still alive and I know he was trying to trace his family tree earlier this year.  I will be able to get his contact details and will pass them on asap. Hopefully he will be the link you're looking for.  

Hello Liam G,

I was very happy to receive your message yesterday.( It was my birthday!) This could be the big one!  I can't wait to hear from Pat McShane of Tirnoney.  Thank you .

Kathy Didden

Hi happy birthday!! Sorry I haven't been able to contact pat yet but i just  found  out my 84 year old father is Pat's godfather.  Apparently him and Pat's father were workmates at that time and good friends. He says their burial ground is in Swatragh in st John's church in the parish of Granaghan if you want to try records there until I can get you more details.  

Hi kathy sorry to take so long but I've only just managed to get Pat's number today.  Not been talking to him just got it from a friend of his.  Anyway here it is and good luck with your search. 07513855616. That's a mobile number from northern Ireland so hopefully you'll get through ok. Keep in touch.  

Dear Liam, Thanks you very much for Pat's cell phone number. Since it was a mobile phone I texted him and apparently it went through.  I am still waiting for a response. If that doesn't work ,I will call once I figure out the time difference from DC.

Best, Kathy Didden

No problem just hope its the connection you need.  Must ring him tomorrow just to put him in the picture. Far as I know you're 5 hours behind us. 

Hi I was talking to Pat today he's very interested in hearing from you. Says if you can contact him via WhatsApp it won't cost either of you as he talks to friends in America this way.  Best time would be between the hours of 6 PM and 10 PM when he's home from work.  I'll leave it up to you to figure out the  time difference.  Good luck 

Liam, Thank you so much . I will do my best to figure it all out.

Kathy

Hi kathy I was speaking to pat. He said you had tried ringing him and that he had also tried. He was wondering if you could try and make contact again.  Thanks.  

Hi kathy pat wants u get in touch if u can.  Thanks. 

Hi kathy I was talking to a member of the mcshane family today and u came up in the conversation.  He was wondering if u could get in contact via my email? Hope all's well with u