In search of my Dwyer and Ryan Connections

My 4th great-grandparents were John Ryan [1824 - 1893] and Mary Dwyer [1833 - 1908] from Tipperary also, quite popular surnames from that area I believe. They were married in Galong in 1841. I havent expanded much on the Dwyer side yet, just her parents and have done a little on John Ryan

I will take a look at my tree and see if I can expand on it a bit more, will let you know if any of the names you mentioned show up in mine

For the record, my forebears Edmund PURCELL c1787-1861 (mother Mary DWYER) and his wife Mary RYAN c1800-aft1861 (father Ned RYAN) with their two children Edmond & Mary arrived in Sydney 11 Mar 1841 on the ship Glenswilly. They were natives of Drombane/Upperchurch, Co. Tipperary (near Thurles). They settled between Morpeth and Millers Forest in the area known as Duckenfield, NSW. Their son Edmond married Mary SCANLON (born c1829 Co. Longford) in 1848 and settled on the Liverpool Plains (in the vicinity of Quirindi/Werris Creek/Warrigundi aka Terrible Vale) in the 1870s.

Any additional information about this family appreciated.

Shirley Turner

Thanks Brett and Shirley will let you know if I uncover any info on your Dwyers Cheers Michael

Shirley,
I have Ryan, Corcoran and Dwyer from the Boorowa/Galong areas. I had assumed I would therefore be related to the cousins Ned Ryan and Roger Corcoran, but after doing some investigating I found I wasnt related to those Ryan and Corcorans

Shirley,
I have Ryan, Corcoran and Dwyer from the Boorowa/Galong areas. I had assumed I would therefore be related to the cousins Ned Ryan and Roger Corcoran, but after doing some investigating I found I wasnt related to those Ryan and Corcorans

Hi Shirley

in response:-

For the record, my forebears Edmund PURCELL c1787-1861 (mother Mary DWYER) and his wife Mary RYAN c1800-aft1861 (father Ned RYAN) with their two children Edmond & Mary arrived in Sydney 11 Mar 1841 on the ship Glenswilly. They were natives of Drombane/Upperchurch, Co. Tipperary (near Thurles). They settled between Morpeth and Millers Forest in the area known as Duckenfield, NSW. Their son Edmond married Mary SCANLON (born c1829 Co. Longford) in 1848 and settled on the Liverpool Plains (in the vicinity of Quirindi/Werris Creek/Warrigundi aka Terrible Vale) in the 1870s.

Any additional information about this family appreciated.

I too am related through these people. Mary Scanlon was killed by a cow on thier property . The detail I obtained from Trove NLA. My grandmother Rosina Ida Monica was born a Purcell. Her father was the son of the young Edmond on the Glenswilly.

I think I have some information I have gathered over the years. I will search and get back to you via this site.

Therese Findlay :-)

Hello Everyone

Researching the Dwyer and Ryan families is definitely challenging given how families bear those names.  I am happy to share any information I have that may be of interest to any of you.  My focus is of course on Johannah to her son Matthew to his daughter Anne Johannah to her daughter Catherine Ann down to my generation.  Please let me know if I can be of assistance to you.  

Hi,
I am not related to any of you, just like to help.
Ships log the port they first leave from, not where the people got on, the ship would have sailed from Liverpool to Dublin/Arklow/Wexford and then Cork. So more than likely they got on the ship in Cork.
Edmund Purcell and Margaret Ryan
PURCELL Edmund 1841 38 (Tipp) Edmund P. / Mary DWYER xx {husband of Margaret,39} Ship = Glenswilly
PURCELL Margaret 1841 39 (Tipp) Ned / Mary RYAN Father = a farmer {w/o Edmund,38+son Edmund,12.} Ship= Glenswilly
Where it says (Tipp) it means Tipperary Town area.
 
Do you know of Dennis Dwyer in Burrowa, he seemd to fund the fares for people from Clonoulty
also is this the same family?
DWYER James 1859 27 Clonoulty Jeremiah / Catherine Mother at Clonoulty Cous=Mrs Mary RYAN,Burrowa.
Margot

I'm looking for Dwyer and Ryan family that came to Fall River, Massachusetts. Also with the name of Mullaly(Mullally)

Hi Valerie:

Have you looked at the Fall River records for this family as that might assist you with where they came from?  I have just been on the message board with another person whose ancestors went to Fall River from Kildorrery parish.  My mother's family also came from Ireland to Fall River and from various counties here.  

If you have any further information such as first names, dates of birth, death, emigration etc, that would be really helpful.  Feel free to add it to this thread and we will do our best to assist you.

All the best,

Jane

Hi Therese Findlay,

Thanks for your response. I was surprised to read that "Mary Scanlon was killed by a cow on their property". I have a transcript of her death registration (DOD 7 Jan 1911) which states Cause of Death: Cardiac disease and gastritis. I have an article from Trove about the 1852 death of Edmund's and Mary Purcell's (nee Ryan) fourteen month old granddaughter, Margaret Jackson (their daughter Mary Purcell married Cook Jackson). The article refers to bullocks. "...about noon on Saturday the little girl and her brother, of five years old, were playing about in front of the hut; their grandmother, Mrs. Purcell, went away with the little boy to turn the bullocks out of the wheat crop, leaving the little girl, who could just totter about, by the hut. About twenty or thirty feet from the hut was a shallow pool, about four feet broad, and six or seven inches deep, its surface even with the ground, being kept for the fowls to drink. Some short time afterwards Mrs. Jackson went out to feed the pigs, and was shocked to see the little girl floating on her back on the pool, lifeless..."

I have never been able to discover a death registration for the grandmother, Mary Purcell (nee Ryan). Her husband's Dec 1861 death registration (place of death Duckenfield, age 74 years) lists his place of birth as "Near Thurles", Tipperary (20 years in NSW), his place of marriage as Upperchurch, Tipperary, at age 35 to Mary Ryan. There is no mention of Edmund's (aka Edward) wife being deceased, unlike his daughter Mary who is listed "died, 36"). Edmund's daughter's (Mary Jackson née Purcell) death registration lists her DOD as 7 Jan 1861 at Duck Hole, age 35 years. Cause of death was childbirth (she had 10 children, although two were deceased, ranging in age from 17yrs to ½ day. Her husband Cook Jackson was the informant (His X Mark). Strangely, the name of Mary's mother is listed as "Unknown" and her place of birth as "Drumbarn" near Thurles, Tipperary (19 years in NSW).

Edmund Purcell and Mary Ryan were my 3xggrandparents, Edward Purcell and Mary Scanlon 2xggrandparents, Edward Purcell and Margaret O'Grady ggrandparents and Rosanna Purcell and Eric Dunkerley grandparents. My mother, Eileen Veronica Purcell was Rosanna & Eric's first born (1911). Eileen was adopted in 1912 by a Melbourne couple living in the inner north suburb of Coburg. 

I visited Drombane and Upperchurch last year (2019) and the year before (2018). In 2018 I stayed in Thurles and last year I had accommodation in Upperchurch. An Upperchurch contact (whose mother was a Purcell) told me that our Purcells were most likely from the Drombane townland of Whitehall and that this line of Purcells has now died out.

It would be good to keep in touch Therese.

Shirley (<sturner2701@gmail.com>) 

Hi Shirley,

I have a 3x ggrandmother named Catty Purcell. I think she is the one who was baptized in Moycarkey ,Tipperary  in 1802 and whose parents were Patrick Purcell and Biddy Law. I know for certain that she married William Hogan and they ended up in Terryglass ,Tipperary with a bunch of kids namely my 2x ggrandfather Daniel Hogan b. 1830. Another guess I have is that William Hogan was the one baptized in Castleleiny,Tipperary in 1804 to John Hogan and Bridget Dwyer. 

Also I live in Washington DC and nearby in Virginia we have a city called Purcellville!

Best,

Kathy Hogan Didden

Thanks Kathy. I like the idea of a town called "Purcellville". 

As i followed this post the names Ryan and Hogan caught my eye. I am looking for information on my great great Grandfather Simon Hogan. Their son Peter Hogan was born on August 7, According to the Ireland Catholic Parish register, he was baptized on August 15, 1828. From Ireland Reaching out: Milford Parish, District of Borrisokane, Father Samuel, Mother Mary Ryan, Sponser Pk Heenan and Brigit Kennedy. Other records I have indicate that Simon lived in Balleyspellane townland. So far I have been unable to link him to anyone in that area.

Mary Hogan

Message to Jane Halloran Ryan,

You spoke about a message board for Fall River, Mass.  I woild be interested in that as well.  Where would I find it?

Thanks in advance.

Barbara

Hi, Mary Hogan,
The Tithe records...... 

Simon Hogan in Balyspillane
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=hogan&firstname=simon&county=Tipperary&parish=&townland=&search=Search

Milford is a townland in the Parish of Borrisokane.
This is the Church record of Peter's Baptism.....it is Simon not Samuel.
Peter Hogan
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634662#page/37/mode/1up

Open this link, it's map of the area.

https://www.bing.com/maps?q=borrisokane+county+tipperary&FORM=EDGENA&refig=82866814c5284150810ee66eeb36a3d6

Follow the N65 going north to KILEEN then you will see a road to Ballycasey, my Hogan’s lived there,
keep going north you will come to Ballyspellane, just a bit further is Milford.

If you ever see a typed record, if there is an original record available always look at it as inputters do get it wrong, so always check.
To link your Hogan's you would have to use this site starting for early record 1864. It would take a bit of time.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

This is what you would see.....
In 1901 there are a family of Hogan in Ballysillane, Mother Nora and a widow.
A son called Edward born 1871, this is his birth record his father Cornelius.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03296/2207638.pdf
Also in the house was a Morgan Feenane aged 16 a nephew.
I looked for him and found his death in 1965, so sad, was living in Tower Hill, that’s on the road out of Borrisokane toward Ballyspillane.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1965/04236/4085746.pdf

I went back to the 1911 Census and he was at home with his parents, so he is another branch for you to look for.

This is how you would trace them.
Good luck
Margot

Hi Barbara:

I'm not aware of a message board for Fall River, MA.  There was a message board post from someone whose ancestors went to Fall River from Kildorrery, County Cork.  Here is her thread if you are interested in reading  it:  https://www.irelandxo.com/ireland/cork/kildorrery/message-board/mcdonnells-kildorrery

Let me know how your research progresses.

All the best,

Jane

Thank you, Margot, for the information. I will pursue all those leads and hope to find more information. I am not sure of the date of the tithe as it doesn't show on the page. I know they were done between 1823-27, but that is as far as I can narrow it down. It looks like Simon Hogan did not have too much property.

I looked at the map, and apparently there still is a town called Balleyspellane as the map seemed to be up to date.

Mary

Hello Dwyers

I am also researching Dwyers of Tipperary that came to Victoria Australia in the 1840s.. unsure if there were any of the family here earlier (yet.....).   The parents are Matthew Dwyer and Fanny Condon... their children were born 1815 onwards....

We have found lots of Dwyers in Australia and we have found connections to other families, not ours... so have started a facebook group called Condon/Dwyers of Australia Genealogical Project... we would love you to come and join us.  We have descendants of a few different Dwyer families that came to Australia, so its likely you will have family in the group... even if you haven't met them yet.  

We are trying to help each other and share info if we can, just so we can break down the brick walls in our family history.

Hope to see you soon  https://www.facebook.com/groups/condondwyersofaustraliagenealogicalproj…