Ryan, Crowe & Dwyer Families

Hi  Pamela,

I was intrigued by the Crowe record / location but can not find it in a search of RC marriages in the whole of Ireland nor my spreadsheet of RC marriages. Could you tell me where to find it?

I have a one name study for Crowe in Ireland but it is mainly Tipperary at present as that is where my roots are. You are wuite right about Dwyer and Ryan, they are the most common names in the area and working with them is difficult. I have many, many Ryans attached to my tree and in the other records by far the most common name. I know an American guy who researches RYan but only in one Parish for that reason.

Richard Dwyer marriage I found and both are from Curraheen, Kilcommon and would have known my relatives, some of whom were in Curraheen itself. Note the spellings in registers were often phonetic, no standard spellings! :) Also Turraheen is in this area too. The sponsors were Michael Ryan Johanna Hays and William Hays. Hayes is another common name but all three would be siblings or married to siblings normally which may help your research. I found the third one too and the same would apply to the witnesses there too except they are more Ryans and Dwyers! I note the priest got confused with the spouses names and crossed out one to correct it.

I do not envy the puzzle, in fact Ihave often wondered if it could be done. With other names I have diligently gone away and found all the relevant surnames in a Parish and painstakingly pieced together small family trees until I have relavant fmilies to make a connection. With distinctive names and small populations it can be done but takes time and effort, access to the records online and a spreadsheet etc. My motive was strong too, so it was worth the effort. It would be good to know why you would like to associate them together?

Kilcommon is not such a busy parish as others are so this may be in your favour but if they spill into the neighbouring parish, say Clonoulty.

Best of luck and if I can help let me know?

Hello, 

I have attached a copy of the record that you enquired about as well as a cropped version. 

Frances Ryan and Margaret Crowe were my 3rd great grandparents. Their sons John and Lawrence both immigrated to the US but not together. My 2nd great grandfather John Ryan immigrated to New Jersey where he worked in the iron mines and I found him in the 1870 census living with Patrick Ryan and Catherine Dwyer. At first I thought that Patrick and John were brothers but that doesn't seem to be the case. In 1875 John Ryan marries Mary Dwyer the daughter of Richard Dwyer and Margaret Ryan. Richard Dwyer, Patrick Ryan and John Ryan were all living in the same area and working in the irons mines in Hibernia/Dover/Wharton New Jersy area. Having all immigrated to the same area, and lived and worked together I am sure they were closely related. I have attempted to make some small family trees as you mentioned but without much luck. Again the names are all so common. 

I have more details if that is of any help but Margaret  is the only Crowe I have come across. When John Ryan remarries in New Jersey his mother's name is spelled Marg. Crow in the register. It was difficult to determine if it was Mary or Marg. however John named his first daughter Margaret.

Regards, Pamela Shea

Hello,

Great to have the story, I was just looking at the Upperchurch data before I read your email. I will look again to see if there is anything from my end, as it were.

Thanks for the record, it is typically the way with FMP to have to trawl through records to find the missing entries and in this case the entry is missing! : However, it was perhaps better than guessing the name and getting it wrong from our point of view? :)

Good luck and likewise I will contact you if I have anything from my end.

Shay

Hello,

I was preparing this and broke off over the weekend. I forgot I had not completed making my "post it notes" for Upperchurch and have been adding to it this morning.

I have no idea if it is helpful but this is a sum of marriage and baptism records that I use to make mini trees within the same parish and then use them to link with other parishes if possible

Shay

Thank you for that file. It looks as if you have put in a lot of hardwork. I will look it over soon. Pamela