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I am searching for more information on my gt-gt grandmother Elizabeth O'Neill who married Denis Hynes and had three children, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth, before they emigrated to New Zealand in early 1852 on the ship Inchinnan.  After Denis died Elizabeth re-married Francis Cullen

On Elizabeth Cullen's death certificate her parents were stated as John and Elizabeth O'Neill (information supplied by her youngest child, Michael Hynes (born in NZ)).  Her country of birth is always stated generally as "Ireland".  Her date of birth is about 1825.

Elizabeth and Denis appear to have been living in or around Clonmel, Tipperary, at the time of their marriage - their marriage and children's births were registered in either Saints Peter and Paul Parish, Clonmel, or St Mary's Parish, Clonmel.  Clonmel was a market town and attracted people from all around the region including from northern Waterford.  There are a lot of John and Elizabeth O'Neills to choose from - especially as a result of the Irish naming patterns in use at the time.  If the naming patterns are taken into account, Elizabeth's mother could have actually been Ann, being the name of Denis and Elizabeth's first female child.

Any help or suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks

Maureen Hynes

Maureen

Wednesday 18th Nov 2020, 12:31AM

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  • Hi Maureen,

    An update on last note, I found a record of service in the British 75th Regiment of Foot which shows that a Denis Hynes served with them from 1825 to  1840 and his age of enlistment was 18 which means he would have been born in 1807and his place of birth is described as Terryglass Tipperary.

    As Terryglass is 68 miles from Clonmel and even on todays roads would take about one hour twenty minutes to drive he must have been based with his regiment there and married Elizebeth O Neill there 

    I found a birth record for only one of the children baptised   Clonmel 13 April 1845 I cannot locate a marraige record

    Can you tell me what the connection is with the names Flannery Hogan and Cahalan as curiously all three names occur in my own family, my mother was Hogan my paternal grandmother was Flannery and my also paternal greatgrandmother was Cahalan.

    Hogan was a very dominant name in Terryglass in the past and not an easy one to trace

    Regards 

    Bill Ryan 

    Terryglass55, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 18th Apr 2021, 08:28AM

  • Hi Bill, thanks for your reply.
    Denis enlisted at Birr and the regimrnt did spend some time in the UK, but Denis' military record is not specific as to where. But it is possible he was at Clonmel at some stage and could explain why he went to Clonmel after being discharged. The 1845 birth was their first child, Ann. Denis and Elizabeth married in 1844.
    The relevance of the name Hogan was just that once he arrived in NZ he added it to his name as a middle name and it appeared in the electoral rolls and was repeated in family documents so the name Hogan must have been significant to him
    The names Cahalan and Flannery with births in Terryglass have appeared as a DNA match on Ancestry for me and the match is shared by two of my relatives here in NZ. So I thought I would add them to my query and see what happens. I accept it can be more complicated than just a common place of birth. Unfortunately that DNA match hasn't been active on Ancestry recently but I have left a message and I live in hope (The potential match was John Hogan, b. 1760, dau. Winifred Hogan b. 1799, she married Michael Cahalan and their son Patrick married Mary Flannery).
    Thanks for your interest Bill

    Maureen

    Monday 19th Apr 2021, 09:03AM

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