Elwyn, Patricia
When I saw my message appear twice I deleted one of them not realising both would go. But thank you both for your replies. Would you advise posting my message again?
Elwyn, the Murphy family were RC, the further 9 children born in Durham were baptised in RC churches.
The DNA thing is interesting. I have been in touch with 3 other descendents of Patrick Murphy and Ann Clark and no one has got any futher. Some years ago one of my brothers did a FTDNA test so we could get that on to the Ulster site. Would you mind sending the link again, thanks.
Another thing to add from the 1851 UK census is a visitor Peater Clark, brother, age 26, coal miner. I should try following him.
Patricia, thank you for the Griffiths information. Since Patrick called his first son William perhaps that was his father's name. At least I can check whether the "William" parishes have baptismal records for the time.
Again, thank you both for your replies
Molly
Molly124
Monday 10th May 2021, 11:19AMMessage Board Replies
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Molly,
I would add your original information to this chain, in case someone recognises the family.
I can’t repeat my original reply as it was deleted along with your own message.
Here’s the DNA information again:
The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project in conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced price. http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).
Here’s a link to a website that shows you all the RC parishes in Fermanagh. If you click on each parish it should show the date their records start. The records themselves are nearly all on-line free on the nli site:
Plus some subscription sites such as Ancestry and rootsireland have most of them too. (There’s the odd parish in Ireland that is not on those sites and some with certain years missing, but the majority are on).
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Monday 10th May 2021, 11:55AM -
Hi, That 1851 census showing Peadar Clark, visitor, also indicates he is the brother of Ann Clark. So if you can find out where in Ireland he was born or who his parents were, you will find out where Ann was from and who her parents were.
Patricia
Monday 10th May 2021, 05:44PM -
Molly,
Patricia makes a good point. Did Peadar stay and marry in England? If so, you should get father’s name and occupation from his marriage cert.
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Monday 10th May 2021, 09:24PM -
Researching Murphy, Clark
My great grandmother Jane Ann Murphy was born in 1862 in County Durham, England. Her parents were Patrick Murphy (1818) and Ann Clark.(1823). Patrick was a miner.
The 1851 uk census shows the birthplace of Patrick and Ann as Ireland Fermanagh. Their first two children, Margret (1845) and William (1849) were also born in Fermanagh. The third child, Ann (1850) was born in Co Durham. There is also a Peater Clark (1825) brother, visitor, recorded.
I don’t know where in Fermanagh the family came from but, as Patrick was a miner, were there any particular areas known for mining around the time?
Margaret and Ann do not appear in any later censuses.
However, in 1861 William’s birthplace is recorded as Lancashire, a transcription error for Lanchester, Co Durham. In 1871 his birthplace was given as Leadgate, Co Durham. I am assuming the 1851 census is correct as it is closer to his birth date and I can’t find a William Murphy c 1849 on the GRO indexes with mother’s surname Clark.
Thank you Elwyn and Patricia for your help so far.
Molly124
Wednesday 12th May 2021, 07:28PM