LAURENCE BARRY, wife MARGARET POWELL & sons JOHN SHERIDAN TOTTENHAM BARRY & EDWARD LOFTUS HOPE BARRY

Hello Bassaleg14,

I found the individual Church of Ireland Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage License Bond Indexes for Laurence Barry and Margaret Powell at the free FamilySearch website. Marriage bonds were issued by the Church of Ireland to couples, instead of having banns of marriage announced in church for three consecutive Sundays before the marriage took place.

The marriage bond index for Laurence and the marriage bond index for Margaret for the year 1787 are attached to this reply. The bond indexes are in book form. Last names are recorded alphabetically. Both Laurence and Margaret are recorded in the individual 1787 indexes, as you’ll see.

They were issued by the Lismore Church of Ireland in County Waterford. The name of this church is St. Carthage, which is actually a Cathedral in Lismore, originally founded many centuries ago.

For more information about the cathedral see the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lismore_Cathedral,_Ireland

For a slide sow of the Cathedral, see: https://is.gd/V9HnFr

The St. Carthage Cathedral, on the North Mall, off Church Lane, Lismore, should not be confused with the St. Carthage Catholic Church, 3/10th of a mile south, off Chapel Place. A Google Map will show you the locations of the St. Carthage Cathedral just south of the River Blackwater, and the St. Carthage Catholic Church, south of the Cathedral: https://is.gd/6jh068

For a Google Street View of the Cathedral see: https://is.gd/9CXDex

Attached to this reply is an Ordnance Survey Map in color of the Cathedral and graveyard in Lismore. The map is from the 1837 to 1842 time period and was found at the GeoHive website.

I’ve also attached a wider view of Lismore from the same map so that you can see more of what Lismore looked like and also see the location of the R.C. Chapel off the South Mall.

You are fortunate that the indexes of the marriage bond survived, as over half of Church of Ireland parish registers were destroyed in a fire at the Four Courts in Dublin during the Irish Civil War of 1922. I don’t believe the original marriage bonds themselves survived. FamilySearch describes the indexes this way:

“Microfilm of original records at the Dublin Public Record Office. Although these licenses were issued by the established Church of Ireland, they were issued to Catholics as well as Protestants who chose to be married by license. Most of the actual licenses were destroyed in the 1922 fire at the Public Record Office; only the indexes survived.”

While the original marriage bonds may not have survived the 1922 fire, it appears that the Lismore Church of Ireland parish registers of baptism and marriage did survive. Baptisms are available from 1693. Marriages are available from 1692.

One of the ways you can see if there is a marriage record for Laurence and Margaret is to contact the St. Carthage Cathedral, requesting that a search for the marriage be undertaken. You’d also want to request a search of the baptism records to see if Laurence and Margaret had any children baptized when they belonged to the Lismore parish. There may be a small charge for this search.

You can contact the Cathedral by email at: https://www.stcarthagescathedral.ie/contact/

A quicker way to look for the Lismore marriage is to obtain a subscription package to RootsIreland, which has the Lismore, Waterford baptism records from 1693 and the marriage records from 1692.

There are four subscriptions you can purchase. You can purchase subscriptions for a day, a month, 6 months, or a year. You can do a lot of research in one day, but you can always extend the subscription if you needed to do more research. Go to
https://rootsireland.ie/ifhf/subscribe.php for more information.

The homepage for RootsIreland is:
https://www.rootsireland.ie/

At RootsIreland you’ll also be able to look for available baptism records for Laurence and Margaret’s children, as Lismore baptisms are extent from 1692. But, if the Barry moved to County Cork, where Edward Loftus Hope Barry was born in 1805 and where John Sheridan Tottenham Barry was born in 1815, there may not be baptism records for them if the baptisms took place in a church that had its parish registers destroyed in the 1922 fire, or if the baptisms the church they attended do not go back far enough in time. Do you know where the family lived in County Cork?

One other thing you can do is post another query to Ireland Reaching Out asking if one of the volunteers with a subscription to RootsIreland, can look for the 1787 Lismore, Waterford Church of Ireland marriage for Laurence Barry and Margaret Powell and any children they may have had, first in Waterford, and then in Cork. In your query you can state that you have the 1787 marriage License Bond index for Laurence Barry and Margaret Bond.

If John Sheridan Tottenham Barry was born in 1815, indications are his mother was very young when she married, as his birth took place 28 years after his mother and father were married in 1787.

THE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOKS

I next wanted to see if I could find Laurence Barry or his wife Margaret, or perhaps his sons Edward and John in an Irish agricultural land record known as the Tithe Applotment Books. The tithe applotments took place throughout Ireland between 1823 and 1837. The Tithe Applotment Books can be searched for free at the National Archives of Ireland website. For more information about the Tithe Applotments, go to the following National Archives of Ireland links:

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/about.jsp
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/aboutmore.jsp

The search tab for the Tithe Applotment Books can be accessed at:
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp

Because your records show that Laurence and Margaret had lived in County Cork, I looked for the Barrys in County Cork. I didn’t find a Laurence Barry in the Tithe Books, but did locate a Margaret and Edward Barry leasing property in the townland of Shanagh, Civil Parish of Lislee, County Cork. The Tithe Applotments for this area of Cork took place in the year 1833.

I believe the full name of Shanagh is “Shanaghobarravane.” More on this later.

You can view the Tithe Applotment Books index for Margaret and Edward Barry at: https://is.gd/9rFKKp

You can also view a copy of the original Tithe Applotment Book entries for all the landholders, known as “Occupiers,” who were farming in Shanagh at: https://is.gd/M2m9a9

There are two facing pages of the tithe book. As you can see the writing is very faded and can be difficult to make out if the pages are not enlarged. Margaret and Edward are the 6th Occupiers down from the top of the page. The “Quality” of their land is shown to be, “Marsh.” The size of the marsh is 2 Acres, 0 Roods, and 0 Perches. The right facing page of the register shows each acre of the Marsh was valued at 9 Shillings, which, at two acres in size, would come to a total value of 18 Shillings.

Do you know if your Barry ancestors had lived in Shanagh/Shanaghohbarravane, civil parish of Lislee? If not, the information found in the Tithe Applotment Books, and the information that follows, may not be pertinent to your research for your Barry ancestors.

The Lislee Church of Ireland today is in ruins. The Church of Ireland Parish has been combined with Courtmacsherry. You can read more about the Lislee and Courtmacsherry Church of Ireland Parish, written by Bill O'Riordan, at the following link:
http://www.courtmacsherrybarryroehistory.com/church-of-ireland---lislee…

To read more about the old Lislee Church of Ireland, located in Lisleetemple, and for a slide show of the church, go to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website link at: https://is.gd/bd8BXN

Attached to this reply is an Ordnance Survey Map of the old Lislee Church of Ireland and Glebe House, Lisleetemple. The map is from the GeoHive website.

I also found that near Lislee and Shanaghobarravane are locations called Barry’s Point and Barry’s Cove. I am wondering if these places are named after Laurence Barry or his ancestors. See the map at: https://is.gd/L52vzt

If your Barry ancestors lived in Shanaghobarravane, there may be Church of Ireland baptisms for those Barry children born in the parish after 1808. The registers of baptism go back to 1809, and are held by the Church of Ireland organization called the Representative Church Body, located in Dublin City. I can send you more information about the Representative Church Body at your request.

There are six attachments with this reply:

Barry 1787 Bond Index
Powell 1787 Bond Index
Ordnance Survey Map, St. Carthage Cathedral, Lismore
Ordnance Survey Map of Lismore
Ordnance Survey Map of Shanagh or Shanaghobarravane
Lislee Church of Ireland

With Kind Regards,

Dave Boylan

Sources:

FamilySearch
Wikipedia
Google Maps
Google Street Views
GeoHive
RootsIreland
National Archives of Ireland
http://www.courtmacsherrybarryroehistory.com/church-of-ireland---lislee…
Buildings of Ireland
Representative Church Body

Hello Bassaleg14,

I’d like to make a correction to information I made in the previous post. Ireland Reaching Out volunteer Shane Wilson found that the church where Laurence Barry and Margaret Powell were married in 1787 was not the Lismore Church of Ireland as I stated, but the Tallow and Kilwatermoy Church of Ireland, in County Waterford, with registers back to 1782.

Shane discovered this information about the Tallow and Kilwatermoy Church of Ireland as being the place of marriage for Laurence and Margaret, in the Rosemary folliott Parish Registers collection.

Roger McDonnell, another Ireland Reaching Out volunteer kindly searched RootsIreland for the 1787 Tallow and Kilwatermoy Church of Ireland marriage, and found it. He also looked for any Tallow and Kilwatermoy Church of Ireland baptism records at RootsIreland for children of Laurence and Margaret, but found there were none.

Many apologies for the error, and thanks to Shane and Roger for their generosity.

With Regards,

Dave Boylan