McCallum/McCollum

Edward was born in 1810, sorry, for typo

The Edward McCollum you refer to seems to have died on 4th Nov 1897 aged 49 (so born c 1848).  So not born 1810. Is that the same man you are researching?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05848/4656958.pdf

The informant was his son Thomas. I think that Thomas was born 28.5.1869 in Gortree. His mother was Eliza O’Rourke. 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03396/2245426.pdf

This looks to be them in the 1901 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban_No__1/New_Row/1535326/

Probably same family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderr…

Eliza died in 1911:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05388/4504055.pdf

Daughter Elizabeth b 1867:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03498/2285660.pdf

Her marriage in 1888:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10757/5923035.pdf

Family in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban_No__1/Strand_Road/1535716/

473 people named McCollum in the 1901 Irish census. 181 were Catholic.

Thank you! Yes, I found all that info, seeking to go back earlier; past Edward. I believe they used his son, Edward Jr's age on the record, he was born in about 1850s, I sent a request to the Cemetery to correct the record. The cemetery record show's Edward (sr) 1810 as having parents Patrick and Ellen, strong chance Ellen was a Dougherty, as family written record says she was related to the family the latter went on to issue in Cardinal Dennis Joseph Dougherty of Philly, PA.

Edward (sr) 1810 married Lizzie O'Rourke and most of their boys, James, Edward Jr, and my grandgrand Father Patrick came to america in the 1885-895, We think maybe Thomas (buried with the Rooney's in Derry, may have been a brother who stayed behind in Derry. My Patrick grandfather's wife, Rose Dolan of Ballyshannon, is buried in a Rooney plot in NYC, so there was some relationship of the McCallum/Dolan/Rooney's. 

All of them are buried as Catholics.I heard their was a McDonald who was granted land in the Plantation settlement from Scotland, and he allowed Catholic Scotts to settle their in Antrim?

How to go back earlier in time, befounds me! I will look at the census.

We were McCollum's, the two brothers who came to USA remained McCollum spelling, my great great Grandfather, Patrick born in the 1850s, seems to have taken up the McCallum spelling while living in Glasgow, Scotland, and working for the SS ship line. He may have done it to avoid discrimination as I understand the McCallum spelling is Scottish, and the McCollum spelling is Catholic?

thank you sooo much

Richard McCallum

Thank you! Yes, I found all that info, seeking to go back earlier; past Edward. I believe they used his son, Edward Jr's age on the record, he was born in about 1850s, I sent a request to the Cemetery to correct the record. The cemetery record show's Edward (sr) 1810 as having parents Patrick and Ellen, strong chance Ellen was a Dougherty, as family written record says she was related to the family the latter went on to issue in Cardinal Dennis Joseph Dougherty of Philly, PA.

Edward (sr) 1810 married Lizzie O'Rourke and most of their boys, James, Edward Jr, and my grandgrand Father Patrick came to america in the 1885-895, We think maybe Thomas (buried with the Rooney's in Derry, may have been a brother who stayed behind in Derry. My Patrick grandfather's wife, Rose Dolan of Ballyshannon, is buried in a Rooney plot in NYC, so there was some relationship of the McCallum/Dolan/Rooney's. 

All of them are buried as Catholics.I heard their was a McDonald who was granted land in the Plantation settlement from Scotland, and he allowed Catholic Scotts to settle their in Antrim?

How to go back earlier in time, befounds me! I will look at the census.

We were McCollum's, the two brothers who came to USA remained McCollum spelling, my great great Grandfather, Patrick born in the 1850s, seems to have taken up the McCallum spelling while living in Glasgow, Scotland, and working for the SS ship line. He may have done it to avoid discrimination as I understand the McCallum spelling is Scottish, and the McCollum spelling is Catholic?

thank you sooo much

Richard McCallum

Richard,

Most Irish research comes to a stop around 1800 due to a general lack of records.  The oldest records in the city of Derry are for Long Tower. They start in 1823.  There’s really nothing before that so you tend to come to a standstill, unless your ancestors were big landowners or notorious in some way.

The MacDonald with land in Antrim that you mention will be the MacDonalds (McDonnell in Ireland) from Islay. That’s an island about 25 miles north of Ballycastle in Co. Antrim. Originally Lords of the Isles, one of their descendants was Sorley Boy McDonnell who was granted land in north east Antrim by the Crown in the late 1500s. His grant wasn’t part of the Plantation (which started in 1610). It pre-dates it by 50 years or so and was under Queen Elizabeth I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorley_Boy_MacDonnell

Sorley Boy encouraged a lot of his Scots tenants to move to Antrim, which was pretty sparsely populated then.  Many of them were Roman Catholic (as was he). Their descendants still live in that area today. Sorley Boy and his successors, at one time owned a quarter of Co Antrim.  In time they acquired an Earldom and the current Earl of Antrim still lives at Glenarm Castle. You can visit it today:  https://glenarmcastle.com

But those McDonnells didn’t have any land near Londonderry.

Not all the Scots settlers in Ireland were Protestant. The majority were mostly Presbyterians with a few Episcopalians, but some Catholic settlers came too. In addition to the McDonnell tenants, the Hamiltons, from Paisley near Glasgow settled near Strabane and they brought a lot of Catholic tenants with them. Their lands later were known as the Abercorn estate. Which still exists.

Name spelling changes when someone moved to Scotland are very common. Nothing to do with avoiding discrimination, in my experience, just the Scottish way of pronouncing and spelling names which most people went along with.  People weren’t very literate then but even when they were, they weren’t bothered about spelling and any perceived “correct” version of a name. So names got changed like that all the time. The forename Ellen is very common in Ireland but less so in Scotland, where Helen is the predominant version. Ellens from Ireland who move to Scotland usually end up as Helen because it’s what most folk there just assume the name is. You’ll see Protestant names altering when they went to Glasgow in the 1800s too. So nothing to do with discrimination, in my experience.

McCollum isn’t a name exclusive to one religious denomination in Ireland.  MacLysaght’s “the Surnames of Ireland” doesn’t say a lot about it, beyond it being a common name in Ulster. As I mentioned previously, in the 1901 Irish census there were 473 McCollums of which 181 were RC (so about a third). There were 303 McCallums of which 46 were RC (so about a sixth). So both versions have more Protestants than RC. I would agree that most around Londonderry were Protestant in 1901. However looking at the 1831 census, there were 3 McCollum households in Derry city and all were RC. No Protestants McCollums in the city at all. No McCallums of either denomination.

I suppose what you are asking is whether your ancestors were “native Irish” or whether they are descended from Catholic Scots who arrived in the 1500s or 1600s. I don’t know is the answer to that.

Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA reportedly has more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if you have already tested, you can transfer your results to them for no fee.

The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project in conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced price.  http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!

The McCallums

thank you for all your help! If you have it available may I ask you to post the link to the 1831 Census. You state, "However looking at the 1831 census, there were 3 McCollum households in Derry city and all were RC." I know my Edward Sr, and Jr were there then, so they might make up the 3 family's ha,ha.

Thanks, Richard

thank you for all your help! If you have it available may I ask you to post the link to the 1831 Census. You state, "However looking at the 1831 census, there were 3 McCollum households in Derry city and all were RC." I know my Edward Sr, and Jr were there then, so they might make up the 3 family's ha,ha.

Thanks, Richard

thank you for all your help! If you have it available may I ask you to post the link to the 1831 Census. You state, "However looking at the 1831 census, there were 3 McCollum households in Derry city and all were RC." I know my Edward Sr, and Jr were there then, so they might make up the 3 family's ha,ha.

Thanks, Richard

Odd, marriage document shows Elizabeth McCollum's wedding to have taken place at St. Columb's Catholic Cathedrial, but, St. Columb's is a Anglo Protestant Chaple, as far as my research shows?

thanks, for your help

Richard

Richard,

Here’s the links to the 3 families in the 1831 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/_/Templemore/Tumonbecca/35/

9 people in that household. Tumonbecca is more commonly known as Termonbacca. It’s a rural agricultural area just on the edge of the city today:

http://www.placenamesni.org/map.php?urlminx=240128&urlminy=414101&urlmaxx=242192&urlmaxy=416228

Patrick McCollum in Henrietta St, within the city, with 4 people in the house (plus they were sharing the property with the Morton family). So that could well be your family.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/_/_/Templemore/Henrietta_St/2/

I don’t see a death in Derry 1864 onwards for Patrick McCollum so he probably died before that. (Death registration started in 1864).

James, nearby in Henrietta St (so possibly related) with a splendid  total of 10 in his household:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/_/_/Templemore/Henrietta_St/7/

There are 2 St Columb’s in Derry. The Church of Ireland cathedral is called St Columb’s (as you have found) but there is also a Roman Catholic St. Columb’s, aka as Long Tower.  Your ancestors married there, not in the Church of Ireland.

thank you sooo much!!!

the McCallum family

I found the Griffith Valuations for my (I hope) ancestor in Ireland, Patrick McCollum was a tenant farmer. Two sites found of interest, both in Donegal Republic of Ireland. I have been advised the there is a Canceled Records dept in Dublin where one can research the Griffith Valuations for more information on the tenants. Is that available online? And is there someone at that institution that can help me search, with or without pay?

Griffiths Primary Valuation Records were continued (up to around the 1930s).  They are called the Cancelled records or the Valuation Revision records. Those for what is now Northern Ireland are available  free on-line on the PRONI website.

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/Search.aspx

Those for Donegal and the rest of the Republic of Ireland are not yet on line. However the Valuation Office in Dublin may be able to find the records you want (there may be a fee). Knowing the relevant townland will help.

https://www.valoff.ie/en/archive-research/

Thank you!!