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I have a death registration of Jane Lough who may be my 3GG. Registration district is Ballgawley. There is a place of death which appears to say Killybruich? The person who registered the dear Hugh Campbell also states same place. 
Reasons I am not quite sure this is her is that she usually lived in and around Clones Monaghan; she had children who I would have thought would register death; I have no information re a Hugh Campbell.

I am hoping for some help in breaking my mystery down. Does anyone know where Killybruich might be? Was it a house? Village? 
I will attach the registration in the hope someone may have knowledge. Even if to say sorry not your relative!! 
many thanks

Alison

 

Alison

Friday 15th Apr 2022, 08:09AM

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  • Alison,

    It’s probably Killybrick which is in the townland of Favour Demesne. There was/is a big house there owned at one time by the Montrey family

    Where someone died away from their normal place of residence, you usually find both addresses/townlands on the death certificate. (The normal residence was written underneath the deceased’s name). In this case that hasn’t happened, so you can assume this Jane Lough normally lived at Killybrick.  If your ancestor always lived in Monaghan then perhaps this is a different lady? Hugh Campbell is probably a neighbour. There is a Samuel Campbell living nearby in the 1901 census.

    Griffiths Valuation for Favour Royal in 1860  lists a John Lough in a small cottage, so I’d guess that was her husband.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 15th Apr 2022, 08:56AM
  • Elwyn thank you very much for taking the time to look at this for me. I shall investigate further. My problem is she is the only Jane Lough (Blakely)  I have found with a death registration. I have details of her marriage in 1808 and her children but no death! 
    oh well I shall keep searching.      
    Again many thanks     
    Alison

     

     

     

     

     

    Alison

    Saturday 16th Apr 2022, 08:14AM
  • Alison,

    If she died pre 1864 there won't be a death certificate. If she was Church of Ireland, she might be in the parish burial register but otherwise there may be no record of her death. Clones Church of Ireland has records going back to the 1700s. Some years are on rootsireland (subscription) plus there's a complete copy, incluing burials 1808-1891 in PRONI in Belfast.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Saturday 16th Apr 2022, 09:48AM
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    Hi Elwyn. 
    facts I have for her are a marriage contract/  settlement of land when she was marrying Thomas Lough  in 1808 (no death found for him either). Last child born 1830 all in Crievaghy ,Clones, Monaghan. Of course there appears to be more than one Lough family in that area and of course using same Christian names for their children! I have looked through Parish records but I have started looking again! The various families do not help! 
    Thank you for taking the time it has been helpful to me, gives me focus! 
    kind regards  

    Alison

     

    Alison

    Sunday 17th Apr 2022, 07:10AM
  • Alison,

    The tithe applotment records for Crievaghy in 1832 list 6 Lough farms in the townland. Thomas had just over 8 acres. If Thomas was a farmer, you can probably definitely rule out the lady who died in Favour Royal.  Apart from the fact that farmers didn’t move about much (save to emigrate), her death certificate would normally have said “farmer’s widow” or similar and not "labourer's widow."

    http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp

    Griffiths Valuation for Creevaghy in 1861 lists just 2 Lough farms (Francis & William). Thomas and the others had evidently either died or left the area and there had been some consolidation. There’s no widow Lough shown either. My hunch therefore is that both Thomas & Jane died pre 1861.

    I had a search of the British Newspaper Archive site for any articles mentioning the Loughs and Creevaghy. Only one I could find was from the Fermanagh Herald of 16th July 1904 in which Francis Lough was selling 20 acres of meadow land.

    The Loughs in Creevaghy are likely all related, and the repetition of the same names in each family was pretty common at that time.

    1 Lough farm in Creevaghy in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Clones_Rural/Creevaghy/1630927/

    Thomas Lough was the son of Francis Lough, and he married Martha Gillespie in 1859:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

    The above Thomas died in 1901. Here’s his probate abstract from the PRONI wills site:

    Probate of the Will of Thomas Lough late of Creevaghy County Monaghan Farmer who died 21 July 1901 granted at Armagh to Francis Lough Farmer. The will is on-line and it mentions that he owned 3 farms. He left everything to his wife Martha. A Frank Lough of Legnakelly was one of the executors, so he’s presumably related to the family in some way (and will be the man advertising the land for sale, I expect).

    There were evidently Loughs still farming there in 1949:

    Lough David of Creevaghy Clones county Monaghan farmer died 13 December 1948 Probate Belfast 5 September to George Emerson Henderson solicitor. Effects £1236.

    The above will is not on-line, but should be in PRONI in paper format. So you either need to go in person to see it or pay them to copy it.

    Martha died in 1908 and again mentioned owning 3 farms, 1 in Creevaghy, 1 in Mullanacloy and the 3rd in Longfield. The farms were left to sons James & David and there was financial provision for other children. This will is on-line on the PRONI wills site.

    I notice that the 1859 marriage between Thomas Lough & Martha Gillespie was held in Clogh Church of Ireland, which is in the parish of Clones but in Co. Fermanagh (Clough Rd, Roslea). Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church (after which she’d usually attend her husband’s). But in this case, I’d say that if you don’t find your family in the main Clones records, it’s worth checking the Clogh records too. There are several churches in the parish of Clones and they may not all be on-line.  You may have to do some old fashioned research and look up the paper/microfilm records. Clogh has records as follows:

    Baptisms, 1811-91; marriages, 1792-1910; burials, 1810-1986.

    There is a copy in PRONI in Belfast.  If you are unable to go yourself, you could employ a researcher. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 17th Apr 2022, 09:56AM
  • Elwyn

    Thank you so much for this information which I will go through carefully. I had information re Thomas Lough and Martha Gillespie, unfortunately he is not in my line. I say that as I loved reading Martha's will etc and wished it was my line. I am sure they must me linked being as they were living so close to my line. 
    I am going to go through the Clones and Clogher Parish records again looking for the possible deaths! 
     

    A trip to Ireland is on the cards! 

    Again many thanks

    Alison

    Alison

    Tuesday 19th Apr 2022, 01:36PM
  • Alison,

    Good luck. As I mentioned before, Clogh Church of Ireland (in Clones parish, and not the same as Clogher) does not have records on-line. You need to go to PRONI or get a researcher to that for you.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 19th Apr 2022, 04:48PM

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