Hi, I am searching for information about John Black who married Mary Cousins. They lived in County Armagh possibly in an area known as Aughlish. One of their sons was named Andrew Black, who married Margaret Cousins in Tandragee 1840. Andrew and Margaret lost their first baby son (John Black) in County Armagh in1841 and emigrated to Australia that same year. I would appreciate any information about John and Mary Black, especially dates and places of birth/marriage/death and names of their other children.
Kind regards,
Jo.
Gypsy Jo
Sunday 1st May 2022, 08:09AMMessage Board Replies
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Jo,
Aughlish is a townland in the parish of Ballymore (co Armagh). It’s 311 acres of farmland.
In the tithe applotment records for 1830 there was a John Black in Aughlish. (There was another in Mullaghglass). There was also an Edward Black.
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/armagh/tithe-applotments/ballymore-par…
In Griffiths Valuation c 1860 there were 2 Black farms in Aughlish. One held by Robert and the other by Edward.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
To me that suggests John Black had died pre 1860 and been replaced by Robert, who might be a son. Death registration didn’t start in Ireland till 1864 so if he died before you won’t get a death certificate and unless he has a gravestone, he may be difficult to locate.
Edward (who may be a relation to John) was still around in 1901, aged 100:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Ballysheil/Aughlish/1020010/
His age could make him a brother to John, but that’s just speculation. I note the family were Presbyterian (so probably Scots origins). Were your family also Presbyterian?
Probate of the Will of Edward Black late of Aughlish County Armagh Farmer who died 14 October 1901 granted at Armagh to Francis Jones Farmer.
The above will is on the PRONI wills site. He leaves the farm to his son John. It also mentions a daughter in England.
I can’t find a death for Robert Black but his name was deleted from the Valuation Revision records in 1890 so he may have died around then.
There are about 6 Presbyterian churches in the Ballymore area. Clare has records from 1824, Cremore from 1831, Poyntzpass from 1850, Tandragee 1835 & Tyrone’s Ditches from 1793 with gaps. I don't think any of those records are on-line but there are copies in PRONI in Belfast. If you are unable to go yourself, you could employ a researcher. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Tuesday 3rd May 2022, 06:33PM -
Jo,
Further to the above, population of Aughlish in 1901 was 103 people in 34 households, so all Blacks living there may well be related.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Ballysheil/Augh…
I spotted another Andrew Black in Aughlish. This one was son of James Black, and married Margaret Sefton in 1845.
Families often repeated the same names and so John & James Black may well be related.
Dorothea Black marrying in 1855, daughter of Edward.
Bella 1858:
Sarah 1857:
Mary Black marrying in 1846, daughter of John Black, so a possible sister to your Andrew. Witnesses were Mary Ann Black & Edward Black. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church so that tends to confirm Andrew’s family were Presbyterian and Tandragee Presbyterian church was the one they were using then. I’d start with its records.
Betty Black marriage 1850, daughter of James Black:
George Black of Aughlish, son of George:
John Black of Aughlish:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…
I can see a number of trees on Ancestry with this same Black family. Some have John Black 1788 – 1849 and Mary Cousins 1792-1846. The births & deaths are before statutory registration (1864) and so you won’t get birth or death certificates for either. If they were both baptised in Tandragee Presbyterian then you won’t get baptisms as their records don’t go back that far. And there won’t be burial records as Presbyterians didn’t keep any, normally. A gravestone might be the only record.
The trees also record 2 more children - Edward 1814 – 1865 and Martha 1815 – 1870. Both are recorded as dying in Co Armagh. (No mention of the Mary who married James Redpath). I cannot find a death in Ireland for either Edward or Martha, so those dates are questionable.
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Wednesday 4th May 2022, 08:30AM