Family of Stephen Bergin b. 26 Dec 1835 in Moneygall

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Hi Nan . . . 

Welcome to " Ireland Reaching Out " . . . in the proximity of Co.'s . . Offaly (Kings) . . and Laois (Queens) . . . 

Using ROOTS search engine (paid). . . for searching . . . 

So . . I began my search ( confining it to Laoise + Offaly ) . . .by looking for the birth of Patrick Bergin . . and  Mary Troy . . .Circa 1795 +/- 10 yrs.

I found (see below ) a Patrick Bergin ..1798. . Agahboe. Laoise.   (see 2 maps below ) ...

I found . . a Mary Troy . . 1804. . b. Durrow, Laoise . . . . . (below)        ( one only Troy in search Laoise/Offaly )

Next I search for a MARRIAGE of Bergin / Troy . . . circa 1822 +/- 5yrs . . . in ALL Ireland . . . nothing . . .

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YES . . . confusion abounds where the next generation is considered . . . 

Have you looked closely at the GAP between Births dates . . i.e. 1823  - - 1844 - - 1844 . . . there is  quite a spread . . ??

Could it be possible that you are dealing with TWO distinct Bergin families . . . from wwithin the same triangle ??

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If your Birth  DATES are correct . . JAMES

when I first search for a JAMES ..b.1823 .... TWO show up for that year . . . 

Laois . . .(see below) . . . different Parents . . . .  Ballinakill is in the same area . . . . 

Offaly . . . (see below) . . . parents . . . Wm.  + Johana  . . . 

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 JOHN . . . b.1824 . . . two born . .  in Laois  (see below)

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JOHN . . in OFFALY . . .NO ..1824 birth reg.

1823 ...May . . . Dunkerrin,Offaly (see below)  . . . 

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ANN(e) . . Laois . . . 1833 (below) . . . TWO registered  . . 

Ann . . . Offaly . . . 1833. . . NO . . to 1833 . . . 

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ELLEN . . . (below)

 

 

 

 

Sorry . . . I closed off in error  . . . 

ELLEN . . . 1844. . . Dunkerrin ,Offaly . . . this is the only true registration of YOUR family BERGIN . . with Parents Patrick/Mary..

SO . . . I cannot progress your information any further . . . 

BUT . . . Dolores Whyte .  . . is the Sacristan for Dunkerrin Church . . . and it is she who holds all the books for Dunkerrin - Moneygall.

 mail . . c/o Dunkerrin R.C. Church. . Co.Offaly. 

 

Cheers . . . Eamonn.

Thanks Eamonn for assisting on this query.  I will forward this to Dolores who may be able to assist you further.

 

All the best

 

Jane

Hi Nan, my name is Dolores Whyte from Dunkerrin Reaching Out Heritage Group.   

I checked the Catholic Parish records (which by the way are all on line on moneygall.ie) and I have extracted the following information with regard to Stephen Bergin, your ancestor.

Stephen's parents Patrick Bergin and Mary Troy (sometimes referred to Trehy) were married in Dunkerrin Parish on  24th February 1835.  Their witnesses were John Bergin and Margaret Troy.     Their family were as follows

(1) Stephen was baptised on 26th Dec 1835 in Dunkerrin Parish.  The address of Rathnavogue was given for this entry (Patrick Bergin and Mary Trehy given in the records.   The Sponsors were Ml Tuohy and Mary Ryan.   

(2) Austin Bergin was baptised in October 1839 (no date entered).  Rathnavogue given as the address, and sponsors were Dan Maher and Citty Trehy.   

(3)  Mary Trehy baptised on 15th Apr 1842, John Mullally and Anne Mullally were given as sponsors. 

(4) Ellen was baptised on 10th Nov 1844 Troy given as Mother's name)  Sponsors were Conor Mulally and Mary Mulally.    As you may be aware we only have the bapsitmal records in Ireland up to 1864, but it was custom to be baptised within 1 to 2 days after birth.    

I cannot see any further baptismal entries under Dunkerrin Parish records.  Rathnavogue is a small townland in the Parish, and your ancestors may have moved from this area, as I tried locating a death certificate for Patrick and/or Mary Bergin on irishgenealogy.ie, but did not locate anyone living in Rathnavogue at time of death.   Irishgenealogy.ie is a free website giving births and deaths after about 1870's onwards.     

Please contact me further if you require any further information, and also abotu the other names you mentioned in your query such as James/John and Anna,    Best regards  

Dolores Whyte, Dunkerrin XO Heritage Group

 

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Thank you for all this research, Eammon! It's amazing. I have lots of new angles to think about now.

I found a marriage for Patt Bergin and Mary Troy in  Feb.1835 in Moneygall, Dunkerrin, Co. Offaly. This would match with Stephen's birthdate. Here is a link. I wish I could send as an attachment but I received an error message when I tried to upload a photo.  https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/61039/02479_01_0245/92306?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/3807614/person/25552280225/facts/citation/942122415327/edit/record.

So now I have 3 baptisms with the same parents - for Stephen, Mary, Ellen - and a marriage record for the parents. But James, John and Anna all have different parents. However, I note that one of the records you found for Anna lists Bergin/Fitzpatrick as the parents and I have found a Bergin/Fitzpatrick tree on Ancestry that I cannot yet connect to mine but I DNA match 7 of the descendents.

When you mention Dolores White above, do you mean I should write her a letter or does she have an email address?

Thanks a million for all your help, Eamonn!

Thank you, Jane and Dolores! Minutes after posting my reply to Eamonn, I saw Dolores' reply.

Dolores, I will write back after I have digested all your information. Thank you!

Nan
 

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Hi Dolores and Eamonn,

I am wondering if the five people I named above (James, John, Anna, Stephen, Mary) are a blended family. In the U.S. records and obituaries we have found, they are shown as siblings.

Turning to James, the oldest, are there any other children of his parents Wilm Bergin and Johana Carrol in the Dunkerrin records? Or a marriage record for Wilm and Johana? Or birth/death records for either parent?

In the US., on Stephen and Anna's  death records we see that the last name of Stephen and Anna's mother was given as Carroll, the same last name as on James' baptismal record.  Perhaps Wilm Bergin and Patt Bergin were brothers. Are there any census records for this period?

Thank you,

Nan

Hi Dolores,

I have searched the moneygall.ie/genealogy site but cannot find the records you mention above for the children of Patt Bergin and Mary Troy. I am searching on this page http://www.moneygall.ie/genealogy_type/births. Is there a different one I should use?

I would like to see if I can find a marriage record(s) for:

-the parents of James Bergin baptism 1823, Dunkerrin, whom Eamonn found. They are William Bergin and Johana Caroll. 

-the parents of John Bergin baptism 1823, Clyduff, also found by Eammon. They are Bryan Bergin and Mary Gorman.

Thank you in advance for any help you can give.

Regards,

Nan