Norah Keane (nee McNamara) 1884 : Short Biography

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Hi:

Do you have any other information about Norah Keane?  Who her parents might have been and where in Tulla she was born?  

 

Thanks.

 

Jane Tulla XO Volunteer

Jane Halloran Ryan

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 11:22AM

Her maiden name was McNamara, she married my grandfather James Keane who according to their marriage lines was a farmer at the time but later became a carrier.  They married on 2 April 1913 at the Church of Knockjames and it looks like her residence at the time of marriage was Kilmore.  My grandfather had passed before my mother met my father.  Norah ran a general store in Main Street where I used to stay when visiting.  My father loved frequenting Minogues bar at the end of the Street!  

Dee

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 11:59AM

My great grandfather was John Keane who I believe lived in Tulla was a farmer 

Dee

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 12:02PM

Standing just behind Norah in the picture is my uncle, one of her sons, Paddy (Patrick) who lived with her until she passed away in 1961.

Dee

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 12:05PM

Ok.  I see the marriage record that you referred to and it looks like Nora McNamara was a daughter of Thady McNamara?  He lived in Kilmore, is that right?

Jane Halloran Ryan

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 01:30PM

The copy I have from the registry it looks like her fathers name was Timothy, it states he was deceased and had been a farmer, I know more about him.

Dee

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 02:30PM

Do you know more about him or do you want to know more?  Let me know.  

 

Jane Halloran Ryan

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 02:38PM

Sorry previous message should have read I know no more about him.

Dee

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 02:40PM

At the moment I am more interested in finding out about my grandfathers line and the given name date of birth of one of their daughters who could have been born in 1915-1917 or 1919-1920 I only know her by her nickname Cissie   I can go back to Norah at a later date, I have an idea she might have come from a large family.  

Dee

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 02:56PM

Ok.  I understand.  It is the Keane side of the family.  I see a civil birth record for a Bridget born 2 August 1916 and Michael Stephen born 27 December 1918.  Both have the parents as James Keane and Norah McNamara.  The public records only go up to 1919 online, but you can view the records at the GRO for births within 100 years.  I would wait as I believe that the website (Irish Genealogy) will be uploading them in the next short while as the 100 year rule is up.  If you want me to take a look at the baptismal register in Tulla, let me know.  

 

All the best,

 

Jane

Jane Halloran Ryan

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 03:07PM

Thank you for the information you have just given me, Micheal was my father so now assume Bridget was his sister whom I only knew by the name of Cissie.  There were 5 children, John born 8/5/1914 and I found record of his birth but Monica born 18/4/1921 I could not find a record for but got information from a family member.  Patrick was the youngest again I could not find a record of his birth assume it was probably 1922-1924.  I would appreciate your looking at the baptismal record sometime, thank you so much for all your efforts.  Regards Dee

 

Dee

Tuesday 2nd June 2020 03:42PM

Good afternoon Jane I wonder if you can find any reference to my grandfather James Keane birth, it would then show details of his parents.  I have very little information on him only that he married in 1913 his wife was then aged 28 I assume he may have been a little older so maybe born on or about 1880.  His fathers name was John.  Very little to go on, any information would be greatly appreciated, thank you.  Dee 

Dee

Wednesday 3rd June 2020 03:36PM

Hi Dee:

Here is the information that I have about James Keane.  He was born about 16 May 1880 in Tulla to John Keane and Bridget Powell Keane.  

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

He had 2 other siblings:

John Keane born 1877

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

Ellen Keane born 1881

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

James is listed with his father, John who is a widower in the 1901 & the 1911 Census at the links below:

1901

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Tulla/Tulla/1088045/

1911

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Tulla/Tulla_Town/372079/

I cannot find a headstone for this family, but I do note from the Tulla burial register that James Keane of Tulla was buried on 22 October 1929.  

Does this sound right?  If so, the civil death record is here:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1929/04926/4337564.pdf

It appears that he died in the County Hospital in Ennis.  

I believe that John Keane (James' father) was a brother of Matthew Keane who was also a shopkeeper.  The shop appears to be  the local takeaway shop in Tulla which is on the left of the village going down towards Ashler.  

 

Let me know about the above.

 

All the best,

Jane

 

Jane Halloran Ryan

Thursday 4th June 2020 11:38AM

Jane you are amazing to find out so much in such a short space of time.  I have seen reference to Ellen before but the spelling was Ellie on a census when she was 18 so it could become confusing trying to follow her line.  I did not know about the other sibling John although I have come across a petty sessional record for March 1917 where my grandmother applied to the court and a John Keane was committed to the Ennis Lunatic Asylum.  He must have been my uncle.  

My mother met my father late 1930’s and he told her told that his father passed sometime before possibly from burst appendix.  

I was last I Tulla in about 1993 when I went looking for my grandmothers grave to no avail only to be told by my father when I returned home that she was buried with the McNamara family.  I believe my grandmother sold or gave the local church some land to use as a cemetery on the top road.  

You are right about the location of the shop.

Not sure where to go from here, best wishes, Dee

 

Dee

Thursday 4th June 2020 01:08PM

Jane I forgot to mention I have been able to trace Bridget Keane’s date of death since you gave me her name, I have also found reference to possibly her marriage to a Patrick Coyne, I know they had two children although I cannot recall the name of one of them, the other was Sheila and she was probably born somewhere between 1938-1943.  I can find no reference to a birth in the UK records and wonder if she was born in Ireland.

 

 

Dee

Thursday 4th June 2020 01:15PM

Hi Dee:

I'm glad to be of assistance.  That's what we are all about here in Tulla Reaching Out!  

That is interesting that your grandfather was buried with the McNamaras.  That headstone is here:https://historicgraves.com/tulla/cl-tula-0240/grave  

They are located right by the church ruin.  

Bridget Keane married again??  Is this the Bridget Keane that was the mother of James?  She would have been too old to have had children in the 1930s.  If you are speaking of Ellie (Ellen), the child may have been born in Ireland.  Did she marry Patrick Coyne in Ireland or in the UK? 

Jane Halloran Ryan

Thursday 4th June 2020 01:21PM

Jane it was my grandmother Norah who was buried in the McNamara plot.  I don’t think the headstone information you just sent was her, Norah was born in 1885.  Just looked again at the headstone and wonder if Thady was my Bridget’s father although on her marriage lines it looks like his name was Timothy. He had passed away before Norah and James married in 1913.  Just checked that Thady must have been born in 1829 and my Norah was born in 1885 so not sure he could have been her father as he would have been 56.  As for my Norah having  a brother called Michael I have no idea save I was told that she came from a very large family.

The Bridget I referred to was my aunt who in only knew by the name of Cissie, you found out she was born two years before my father in 1916.  She must have travelled to the UK and that is where she married a Patrick Coyne.  It is only today that I found out his fulll name as my parents only ever called him Coyne.  Bridget and Patrick has two children, a son and daughter called Sheila. Bridget died in 1943 and after trying to find work and bring up two young children Patrick took them home to Tulla where my grandmother Norah brought them up.

Dee

Thursday 4th June 2020 01:47PM

Looking again at the headstone information if this is a true line Bridget would have been 40 when she gave birth to my Norah, it’s possible I suppose there could be a connection.  When I was last in Tulla in 1993 I was told my Claire Littleton, who was in her 90’s, and had lived in the village all her life that my Norah was one of about 16 siblings and that a couple of them had gone to America but one returned.

Dee

Thursday 4th June 2020 02:24PM

Hi Dee:

 

The headstone reference that I sent to you is the Thady McNamara from Kilmore.  This is most likely Norah's father who was listed on her marriage record in 1913 as deceased.  It looks like he died in 1904 and that his wife (Norah's mother) died in 1905.  This family resided in Kilmore and here is the 1901 Census reference for them:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Glendree/Kilmore/1087490/

This family had quite a large number of children--I can find 13 in the register.     You will note that Norah is listed on that as aged 16 which is about right.  

From the Tulla parish register transcriptions, here are the children of Thady Mack(McNamara) and Bridget Brody of Kilmore:

1.John 20 June 1866 

2. Mary Catherine 7 August 1867

3. Patrick 30 January 1869   

4. Michael 31 August 1870   Note that the father is stated as Timothy McNamara.  

5.James 20 July 1872

6. Ellen 3 June 1874

7. Daniel 25 August 1875

8. Bridget 3 Feb 1877

9. Mary 17 April 1878

10. Matthew 23 June 1880

11. Anne 12 October 1882 (civil record)

12. Norah 5 July 1884 (baptism register)

13. Catherine 14 November 1885 (baptism register)

 

I have an interest in this family as I believe that my own McNamara family from Tyredagh Upper may have had a connection with this family.  Thady is a common name for Timothy or Thaddeus, just so you are aware.  

Hopefully the above is of some assistance.  

 

Jane Halloran Ryan

Thursday 4th June 2020 02:39PM

Its mind blowing, Claire Littleton was right there were a few of them.  Got to get this all down now.  Thanks for letting me know Thady was common use for the name Timothy.  

Do you live in Tulla

Dee

Thursday 4th June 2020 02:55PM

 

Hi Dee:  yes, I do.  Let me know if you need anything else.  

 

Jane Halloran Ryan

Thursday 4th June 2020 04:25PM

Good afternoon Jane, I see there are a couple of places named Kilmore, do you know which one the McNamara’s came from.  Why is the family grave in Tulla I wonder.

Dee

Dee

Tuesday 9th June 2020 12:32PM

Hi Dee:

 

Kilmore is a townland which is located very close to Glendree.  That is the school that Norah and her siblings most likely attended.  I am working on the Glendree school register at the moment, and the names are in that.  

The grave in Tulla would relate to the parish that they resided in and Kilmore is in Tulla parish.  

 

All the best,

 

Jane

Jane Halloran Ryan

Tuesday 9th June 2020 12:34PM

Thank you Jane.

Dee

Tuesday 9th June 2020 12:45PM

Jane is there anyway I can find out what happened to John Keane who was sent to Ennis asylum in March 1917.  

I was told that some of the McNamara’s emigrated to America although in or about 1963 my father was in Australia for a couple of years and told me he met up with someone related to him.  Where would people from Tulla have gone to register for such journeys do you know?  

Dee

 

Dee

Tuesday 9th June 2020 12:58PM

John Keane would have been a patient in the Ennis asylum and the records would be held by the HSE.  Have you looked for a death record for him?  That would give you more information.

As to emigration, would the family have emigrated in the 1920s or earlier?  If earlier, their land would have changed hands.  Let me know and I will see what I have researched that might show up.

 

There was no registry for people emigrating.  They just left.  It is where they arrived that is often noted.  Did you look at the Ellis Islands records that are recorded for Tulla parish through the Clare Library?  They are at this link:  http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/emigration/tulla_parish_through_ellisisland_emigrants.htm

You can also search through the Ellis Island website directly.  I can see from looking at the above link that there are several McNamaras with an address at Kilmore.  

 

Let me know how you get on.

Jane

Jane Halloran Ryan

Tuesday 9th June 2020 01:25PM

Jane I have an extract of very old map, 1777, showing Tulla-Ennis is that something I can put on your web site?  If so how do I go about it?

Dee

Tuesday 9th June 2020 02:22PM

I had thought the John that went into the asylum was my grandfathers brother but I appear to have been mistaken as I have just found registration of death of my great grandfather in the asylum 13/09/1918 which was 18 months after he sent there, he was 79.  

Dee

Tuesday 9th June 2020 02:45PM

Hi Jane I have found reference to a Norah McNamara sailing to New York in October 1910 aged 27.  She named her father as Timothy and his address looks like The Crescent, Midleton, which is not near Kilmore, what do you think.  Dee

Dee

Thursday 11th June 2020 11:23AM

Hi Dee:

 

What makes you think that Norah was in America in the early 1910s?  To my mind, that is strange due to her being married in 1913 in Tulla.  I believe that others in the family most likely traveled.

Based upon the ages of the children and looking at the 1901 & 1911 Censuses, it would appear that they most likely travelled  before Ellis Island opened and Castle Garden might be the place to look.  If you look at the 1911 Census, both Michael and Norah remained at home.  Norah likely lived there until she married in 1913.  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Glendree/Kilmore…

In 1901, Matthew and Katie are living there with Norah and their parents.  Michael is not listed (interestingly enough). He could have gone to the US and then returned after his father died.  

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Glendree/Kilmore…

Let me know what you think.

Jane Halloran Ryan

Thursday 11th June 2020 11:45AM

Not looked into the sites you mentioned yet. I only looked for Norah because Clare Littleton told me Norah went to America and came back, she told me a few of the McNamara’s emigrated, Norah may have only gone to visit and returned not long afterwards.  Just a thought.  I also found an Anne McNamara went in 1902 her passage being paid for by a sister.  Of course she may not be someone from our family line.  All very interesting.  Dee

Dee

Thursday 11th June 2020 12:14PM

Ok.  I understand.  Well, it is certainly possible that Norah did go to America, but she was listed in both the 1901 & 1911 Census as being present in Ireland, so if she did travel, she went for a short time and between 1901-1911.  With that large a family, you have a lot of people to research!  

Jane Halloran Ryan

Thursday 11th June 2020 12:18PM

If it was my Norah she sailed out of Queenstown on 13 October 1910 and arrived in America on 20 October 1910 so she would have been resident in Ireland   In 1901 for the census and if she only stayed a short time in the States could have been back for the 1911 census and her marriage in 1913. Dee

Dee

Thursday 11th June 2020 12:41PM

Hi Dee:

That is certainly possible.  I would think that she would have written Tulla as her home place instead of Midleton, but that could be a mistake.  Who knows?  You might find her in the 1910 US Census if she was there in June 1910.  

 

 

Jane Halloran Ryan

Friday 12th June 2020 10:54AM

Hi!

I hope I'm not intruding here but I've been reading with interest about the McNamaras of Tulla, County Clare, and I note, Jane, that your McNamaras are from Tyredagh Upper. 

I might have a connection with one of your McNamaras who migrated to Australia.

Susannah McNamara, who was born in County Clare about 1818,  married Thomas Powell (my great great grand-uncle) about 1837.  Thomas Powell was from the townland of Affick (aka Affog(h)) in Tulla and I know that Affick and Tyredagh Upper are quite near each other (because there are also Powells from Tyredagh Upper who migrated to Australia).

Thomas and Susannah (McNamara) Powell had a son, Patrick Powell, baptised on 26 January 1837 (per Tulla Parish baptismal register entry nos 3358-3383) with parents shown as Tom Powel and Susan McNamara.  Tom and Susan(nah) migrated to Victoria, Australia, shortly afterward on the 'William Metcalfe' arriving on 15 November 1839.  Sadly, Patrick died at sea on the voyage. Tom and Susan(nah) settled in the Geelong area and had 8 chiildren.  Susan(nah) unfortunately died on 8 January 1856.

I wonder, jane, whether you know any information about Susan(nah)'s parents and family?

Cheers and best wishes

Daryl Murphy

Brisbane QLD Australia

dasmurphy@hotmail.com

 

dasmurphy

Tuesday 23rd June 2020 06:56AM

My father emigrated to Australia in or about 1963/64 with the intention of living there but he decided against it and travelled the country for over 2 years.  On his return he told me that he had met up with some of his aunts family and I am wondering if this aunt could have been Susannah McNamara.

Dee 

Dee

Tuesday 23rd June 2020 08:41AM

Hi Daryl:

Thanks for the comments.  You and I spoke many years ago about the Powells and you were the first query to the Tulla Reaching Out message board back in 2012/13!

 

There may well be a connection between us.  My greatx3 grandfather was Patrick McNamara who died in Tyredagh in the late 1900s. My cousins still own the land there.  I will contact you via your email for further information if you like.  

 

Dee's McNamara family were from the Kilmore area, and there was a family connectiion between my McNamaras and a McNamara family in Kilmore or Glendree.  I'm not sure which family it was, but would love to find out!

 

Susannah McNamara born in 1818 may well have been a sibling to William (my greatx2 grandfather) who was born in 1833.  His parents were:  Patrick and Margaret Faul.  

 

I'll send you an email about this.

 

All the best,

 

Jane

Jane Halloran Ryan

Tuesday 23rd June 2020 11:10AM

Good morning Jane, can you give me any information about Bridget Powell’s family line (c1830) she was my gg grandmother married to John Keane (1839-1918).  She may have had a sister named Ann.  Any help appreciated, thanks.  Dee

Dee

Monday 21st September 2020 08:09AM

Morning, John Keane married Bridget Powell on 15/2/1876 so my estimate of her birth at 1830 is probably wrong it’s more likely to be in the region of 1850 although I still cannot find birth details.

Dee

Dee

Tuesday 22nd September 2020 08:55AM

Hi Dee:

 

Good to hear from you! 

I see 2 possibilities:

Bridget Powell baptised 12 June 1848.  Her residence is Affog and her parents names are:  John Powell and Kate Meer.  Sponsor is Anne O'Brien.  NLI reference is here:

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634806#page/19/mode/1up  The Entry number is 446.

 

Bid (Bridget)  Powell baptised 7 September 1839.  Her residence is Affog and her parents' names are:  John Powell and Bid Halvey.  Sponsors are:  Michael Murphy and Anne Halvey.  

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634804#page/91/mode/1up  This is on the short page at the right.  

Let me know what you think of the above.  I will do my best to see what I can find.

 

All the best,

 

Jane

 

 

 

Jane Halloran Ryan

Wednesday 23rd September 2020 11:27AM

Cricky Jane you have good eyesight!  Thanks for the information I will work on it and get back to you. Dee

Dee

Wednesday 23rd September 2020 11:45AM

Hi Jane I have made contact with a descendent of Ellen (Nellie) McNamara who lived in America, he said a family story was that one of the McNamara’s did go to the States but returned to Tulla so it was probably my gran Norah.  He also said that one of her siblings had many children and gave some to another sibling who had none!  Have your any thought on this?  Dee

Dee

Monday 28th September 2020 05:18PM

Hi Dee:

That's possible.  Did it happen in the US?  If so, they may have lived with the aunt/uncle but kept their surname.  It would depend on the state as to what the arrangement might have been (whether it was a state arrangement or a private arrangement).  

Jane Halloran Ryan

Tuesday 29th September 2020 10:27AM

I have been told that Ellen looked after the girls when her father died but from what you told me that was in about 1904 and her great great grandson is saying she went to the US as a young girl.  She was born in 1874 she was not so young.  I have asked if it’s known when Ellen went to the US and where the siblings who it is alleged were raised by another sibling were, in the US or Ireland.  I will let you know the outcome, Dee

Dee

Tuesday 29th September 2020 02:06PM

Hi Jane I sent an email yesterday but I did not do it thro this site, I hope you received it.

I am still trying to find out about Bridget Powell.   I have been into the Clare library site and found dates for two John Powel’s. One married Halvy on 20/8/1828 the other married a Catherine Meer on 9/2/1846.  Neither of these dates help in deciding which one is Bridget’s father.  Any ideas?

I also came across a James Keane married to Jane Molony, they had 5 children between 1834 and 1844 and wonder if he might be someone I should be tracing as well, aga8n any idea?

Thanks, Dee

Dee

Monday 5th October 2020 02:05PM

Hi Dee:  I didn't receive your email.  You can send it to me at:  tulla@irelandxo.com    What other information do you have on John Powell?  I thought that you were looking for Bridget.  Did either Bridget appear to be a better fit to your Bridget?  Let me know.

 

Jane Halloran Ryan

Wednesday 7th October 2020 11:16AM

 

The following is the message i don’t think you received.

Hi Jane, I think I have been working on the wrong Powell line for Bridget and I have her father down as Michael (her mother as Bridget Flaherty) but have just seen her marriage lines and they say her father John was deceased when she married James Keane on 15th February 1876.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Also I am having difficulty tracing any information about my great great grandfather James Keane and his wife can you help? 

Thanks, Dee

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dee

 

 

 

Dee

Wednesday 7th October 2020 02:36PM

Bridget Powell

I found John Powel married Catherine Meer on 9/2/1846

I then found a Bridget Powel born 12/6/1848 father John Powel, mother Kate Meer, from  Affog.  Witnesses were Connor Powel and Michael McNamara.  Do you think this could be the Bridget who married my great grandfather John Keane in February 1876.

Sorry if I am confusing you, I am confused myself. Dee

 

 

 

 

 

Dee

Wednesday 7th October 2020 02:50PM

May I chime in here to say that John Powell and Catherine Meers (who married on 9 February 1846 in Tulla Parish, Clare) died in New South Wales, Australia, in 1886 and 1887 respectively.  Their daughter Bridget was baptised on 12 June 1848 at Tulla and their son, Thomas Powell, was baptised on  22 December 1851.  Thomas married Mary Ann Powell, daughter of Michael Powell (c1817-1872) and Margaret Danaher (1818-1895).  Mary Ann Powell is my 1st cousin 3 times removed.  I'm sorry but I don't have any information about Bridget's marriage.

I hope this helps.

Daryl Francis Murphy

dasmurphy

Thursday 8th October 2020 01:04AM

Hi Daryl interesting reading, a Bridget Powell definitely married a Keane but it’s finding the right Bridget Powell that’s my problem, initially I thought her father was Michael but then I found out it was John but there are two Bridget Powell’s born around the same time which does not help.  In the early 60’s my father Michael Keane emigrated to Australia, he came back after about 2 years and told me that he had met up with family I think on his on his mother or aunts side.  I will keep looking. Dee

 

Dee

Thursday 8th October 2020 09:27AM

Hi Jane I am still struggling to find out which Bridget Powell married my great grandfather John Keane on 15/2/1876 on their marriage lines it says her father was John Powell (deceased)   They had 3 children John/James and Ellen born in 1882 and she is another one I cannot find trace of from the age of 18.  Also  not getting anywhere tracing my great great grandfather James wife.  Any pointers greatly received.  Dee

Dee

Thursday 22nd October 2020 03:34PM

Hello Jane, I hope you are keeping well.  Besides still not finding anything further about Bridget Powell’s parents I have now been contacted by someone in Australia who thinks his grandmother was connected to my McNamara family.  Her name was Annie McNamara born 31/05/1900.  So far I have found no record of her birth which would help with her parents names plus when she may have left Ireland.  She may well have been a child of one of my Norah’s siblings.  Do you think you could find something or point me in the right direction.  Thanks.  Dee

 

Dee

Monday 18th January 2021 11:36AM

Hi Dee:

Thanks for the update.  I have found an Anne McNamara born 30 November 1899 in Corbeha (Flagmount) to James McNamara and Hannah Gallagher.  I don't think that that's yours.  

There is an Anne McNamara born 8 August 1900 to Dennis McNamara from Curracloon.  Again, this is not Tulla, but Feakle.  

Where does this person get the date and who are this Anne's parents' names?

 

All the best,

 

Jane

 

 

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Tuesday 19th January 2021 03:44PM

 

 

Norah did have a sister Anne you told me according to civil records was born 12th October 1882.  The Australian man took a dna test which shows he has a strong connection to me, his grandmother was Annie McNamara born 31/05/1900 to Irish parents but he has no knowledge of them.  I am trying to see if there is a connection to my family line.  I did come across a Census showing a Michael his wife Kate, his sister Anne and his neice Annie but both Anne/Annie’s ages we’re wrong for the year.  Not much help I’m afraid, any suggestions.

Dee

 

 

 

Dee

Tuesday 19th January 2021 04:01PM

Dee:

Where did you come across the other record with the wrong dates?  How far out are the dates?  If it's only by a few years, it may be worth checking out further.  

 

Jane

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Tuesday 19th January 2021 06:12PM

hi Jane,it was the 1911 census I didn’t keep a copy.  I recall,it saying Annie was 9, Anne was 51 and Michael head of the house was 49.  My Norah also had a brother Michael.  Does that help?

Dee

Dee

Tuesday 19th January 2021 06:17PM

Hi Dee:

 

Yes, I found it in the 1911 Census.  He lived in Doorus.  Here is the link:  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Killanena/Doorus__East/370671/

That's in Killanena.  Do you think that he is a brother to Nora?  

 

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Tuesday 19th January 2021 08:17PM

Yes that’s the census I saw but I have no idea whether it was Norah’s brother, you previously told me Michael was born 31/08/1870.  He would have been 41 in 1911 when the census is dated.  Would he have moved fromTulla to Doorus how can I tell and is it’ one and the same person.  Even if it is I am no nearer finding out who Annie’s parents were and where she was born.  Dee

Dee

Tuesday 19th January 2021 09:21PM

I have checked the 1901 census and come up with Timothy (53) Michael (23) James (21) Kate (24) and Anne (20) living in Lacarrow lower, Feakle.  I do not have a Kate in my line but have a Mary Catherine (1867) and a Catherine (1885) either could have been called Kate but the ages are not right.    No mention of Annie if what I am told is correct she would have been about a year old.  Where do I go from here?  Dee

Dee

Wednesday 20th January 2021 09:24AM

I have just seen a birth record for Michael and Kate McNamara dated 28/3/1905 re the birth of their daughter Annie.  I could not read where they came from but it looked like Lark.  

Dee

Wednesday 20th January 2021 09:45AM

Hi Dee:

In order to confirm if Michael McNamara is one of your family, you should search for the marriage record between him and Kate.  You will have Kate's maiden name from the Civil Birth Record of their daughter Annie that you referred to above.  See where this couple married, and look at the father's name of Michael.  See where he resided at the time of the marriage, and also look at who the witnesses were (it may have been a sibling).  

 

Let me know how you get on.  

 

All the best,

 

Jane

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Wednesday 20th January 2021 11:33AM

‘Morning Jane further to my message of 18 January I have now established that the Annie McNamara I originally referred to was born in Australia on 31/5/1900 and her father was a John McNamara his wife was Kate.  One of Timothy (Thady) McNamara’s sons was a John born in January 1866 and I am wondering if this is the connection.  I have tried looking for a marriage certificate for a John and Kate but drawn a blank are you able to find anything about him that might help me?  Thanks 

Dee 

 

Dee

Saturday 13th February 2021 10:09AM

Hi Dee:  

 

My earlier reply got deleted for some reason.  John McNamara was baptised on 20 June 1866 to parents named Thady McNamara and Anne Bridget Brody.  He was one of a large number of children born to this couple.  Sponsors were:  Patrick Carty and Margaret Carty.  I don't see any marriage record for a John McNamara from Kilmore to Kate in Tulla.  Do you think that they married in Ireland or do you think that they married elsewhere?  If Annie McNamara was born in Australia, it is possible that her parents married out there.  As there doesn't appear to be any record for a John McNamara and Kate (name unknown) in Tulla, it is possible that Kate was from another parish.  You can use the  Irish Genealogy website and input other areas:  Galway, Ennis, Limerick.  The names will show where the wedding parties were from and their fathers' names.  

Let me know.  

 

All the best,

 

Jane

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Saturday 13th February 2021 03:06PM

I had already checked the Irish genealogy site for marriages to Catherine’s and Kate’s but found nothing.  

I think I have now found details of John’s marriage. He married a Kate Cronin in Randwick, New South Wales, in 1899.  I have not seen her marriage lines so no idea who her father was but I found a record of her death which states she was from Limerick.  I will see if the guy in Australia can confirm any of this if so  then I have a connection.

Regards, Dee

 

Dee

Saturday 13th February 2021 05:02PM

Hi Dee:  

that's great.  Let me know what happens.  All the best,  

Jane

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Saturday 13th February 2021 05:53PM

 

Hi Jane here is what I found out and believe it to be correct:  

John McNamara aged 20 in 1886 sailed from County Clare on the Quetta to Queensland arriving on 6th April 1886 at Maryborough.

A Kate Cronin from Limerick aged 19 in 1885 sailed on the Dorunda from London to Brisbane arriving on 10th March 1885.

John married Kate Cronin in 1899 in Randwick, New South Wales, Australia.

they had children but as yet I do not have full details save one was Annie born in 1900

Kate died in Australia on 8th April 1926.  Her parents were noted as being John and Mary.  

John McNamara died in 1937 in Randwick.  

Dee

Dee

Monday 15th February 2021 02:49PM

Hi Dee:

 

That's great.  It would be great to find the other children born to John and Kate.  They obviously met out in Australia.  

 

Let me know how you get on.

 

All the best,

 

Jane

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Monday 15th February 2021 03:38PM

Hi Jane, wondering if you can point me in the right direction as to how to find out whether the following was my grandaunt Ellen Keane.  I th8nk you previously told me you found a record of her birth for December 1882.  The paper trail seems to go missing after her being recorded at the aged 18 in the census.  I have come across an Ellen Keane marrying a Thomas Ryan in 1912 at Claremorris.  It’s recorded that she lived in Tulla, her father was John Keane a labourer.   What do you make of this?  

Thanks.  Dee

Dee

Wednesday 14th April 2021 03:40PM

Hi Dee:  

good to hear from you.  That marriage sounds as if it is worth looking at further.  You should check to see if they had any children born in Ireland before 1919 on the Irish genealogy website (civil records).  Thanks for letting me know how you are doing!  

All the best,  

Jane

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Wednesday 14th April 2021 03:56PM

Morning Jane I have tried the genealogy website but nothing came up.  I forgot to mention previously that on the marriage certificate it said Ellen was 25 in 1912 which was a couple of years out on the information I have for my Ellen’s birth.  Have you any further suggestions for me to try and trace this 1912 Ellen.  Thanks, Dee

Dee

Thursday 15th April 2021 08:33AM

Hi Dee:  will you please email me directly at jhalloryan@mail.com?  Thanks.

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Thursday 15th April 2021 09:44AM

Jane the email addressed you sent is not available!  Have you missed something out?

Dee

Thursday 15th April 2021 11:00AM

Jane the email addressed you sent is not available!  Have you missed something out?

Dee

Thursday 15th April 2021 11:01AM

Apologies!  It's jhalloryan@gmail.com.  

Jane H, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Thursday 15th April 2021 11:37AM